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  • #31
    Lancer's exceptional exercise in comparative daydreaming makes it all very clear: some blow and a ho is the way to go!
    Apolyton's Grim Reaper 2008, 2010 & 2011
    RIP lest we forget... SG (2) and LaFayette -- Civ2 Succession Games Brothers-in-Arms

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    • #32


      Adam Smith may have hacked his account.
      I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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      • #33
        Kid If you read what I actually said you would see that what I was saying is that for the really rich person I agree-- a thousand bucks won't make any difference to a multimillionaire--



        Originally posted by Kidicious

        Seriously, is that really so hard for you to understand? If you had two grown children and one was a doctor and the other worked for minimum wage, and you gave them both a thousand dollars which one would spend the money faster?

        This is common sense.
        Actually I don't think it is. The experience even with people with moderately good incomes is to treat a new bonanza as a bonanza and go and spend it. Give a separate cheque for 600 bucks a month and people will find a reason to treat themselves.

        Here in Alberta, we got the oil windfall cheques of 400 per person and EVERYONE spent it-- It was water cooler conversation for a few weeks . I actually think single bigger amounts will trigger way more immediate consumption than if people got tax reductions that were refelected in their paycheques throughout the year

        Now are you saying the poorer person is more likely to NEED to spend it? -- well of course thats obvious. BUt if they don't have an immediate need, that lower income person may also be more likely to save the money for a while as a portion of a larger purchase ( toward a bigger TV, down payment on a house or car, or toward schooling). The lower income person is also more likley to simply apply the monies toward paying off existing debt.

        I simply think that spending behaviors are not as simple as a straight line poorer people always spend more quickly-- if that is what you are trying to say. I think it also depends on age, educational plans, debt load, manner in which monies are received and dozens of other factors
        You don't get to 300 losses without being a pretty exceptional goaltender.-- Ben Kenobi speaking of Roberto Luongo

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        • #34
          Apparently the package would be ~$600 per individual and $1200 per couple, plus $300 per child. It would arrive about June, assuming the fiscals don't gear up to fight it.

          I'm consitently stupid- Japher
          I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- Ned

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          • #35
            Cmon Fiscals.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Flubber
              Actually I don't think it is. The experience even with people with moderately good incomes is to treat a new bonanza as a bonanza and go and spend it. Give a separate cheque for 600 bucks a month and people will find a reason to treat themselves.
              And I asked you what experience that is. I'll just assume that you are talking about yourself and some people that you know, probably of the same income group.
              Here in Alberta, we got the oil windfall cheques of 400 per person and EVERYONE spent it-- It was water cooler conversation for a few weeks . I actually think single bigger amounts will trigger way more immediate consumption than if people got tax reductions that were refelected in their paycheques throughout the year
              No everyone didn't. That's ridiculous. You are just spouting off ridiculous claims.
              I simply think that spending behaviors are not as simple as a straight line poorer people always spend more quickly-- if that is what you are trying to say. I think it also depends on age, educational plans, debt load, manner in which monies are received and dozens of other factors
              That's not a proper argument.
              I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
              - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Kidicious

                And I asked you what experience that is. I'll just assume that you are talking about yourself and some people that you know, probably of the same income group.
                It wasn't a scientific sample-- that was obvious but included a couple of dozen co-workers (incomes from the 40s up to about 200K), about 2 dozen friends (similar income range)-- a few daycare workers( low paid)-- and about 20 retired folks (no ideas as totheir incomes)-- Maybe people lied but it was a conversation piece about how to spend the money

                Originally posted by Kidicious

                No everyone didn't. That's ridiculous. You are just spouting off ridiculous claims.
                I used rhetoric for effect-- I didn't expect that anyone would seriously think I knew what each and every one of the 3 million Albertans did with their 400 bucks

                Originally posted by Kidicious




                That's not a proper argument.
                Why? the quoted bit simply says that spending habits on receiving a windfall sum are more complex and nuanced than "poor folks will spend it -- middle class won't" or whatever it is that you are trying to say
                You don't get to 300 losses without being a pretty exceptional goaltender.-- Ben Kenobi speaking of Roberto Luongo

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                • #38
                  Flub's just giving you his experience, Kid. Without detailed statistics on past handouts/rebates, it's hard to say for sure. I generally agree w/you, however, that this one needs to be aimed at the poor - that way one can be reasonably sure it will be spent and of course the poor need it most.

                  Long story short, I know people who are already thinking about how they will spend theirs. I won't get one, and that's just fine by me.

                  -Arrian
                  grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                  The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Theben
                    Apparently the package would be ~$600 per individual and $1200 per couple, plus $300 per child. It would arrive about June, assuming the fiscals don't gear up to fight it.
                    Congress has fiscal conservatives?
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Arrian
                      I won't get one, and that's just fine by me.

                      -Arrian
                      Why wouldn't you get one? You don't have a tax bill?
                      I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                      - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                      • #41
                        Isn't there an income cap on it?

                        -Arrian
                        grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                        The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                        • #42
                          Under the tentative plan, families with children would receive an additional $300 per child, according to a senior House aide who outlined the deal on condition of anonymity in advance of formal adoption of the package. Rebates would go to people earning below a certain income cap, likely individuals earning $75,000 or less and couples with incomes of $150,000 or less.
                          So, um, yeah, no rebate for us. Which, again, I'm not whining about.

                          -Arrian
                          grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                          The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                          • #43
                            Anyone 150 K or less will have no problem spending a grand-- all that changes is the type of stuff it gets spent on.
                            You don't get to 300 losses without being a pretty exceptional goaltender.-- Ben Kenobi speaking of Roberto Luongo

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Kidicious
                              I have to disagree. Bill Gates has all the money he needs already for buying companies. So he won't do anything at all with his money but look at it and do nasty things to it.
                              Yes. That Foundation of his does nothing but cripple blind people and rape third-world babies.
                              B♭3

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Flubber
                                Anyone 150 K or less will have no problem spending a grand-- all that changes is the type of stuff it gets spent on.
                                That's just wrong. I can't believe that you don't see that. $1000 isn't that much to a person who makes that much money.
                                I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                                - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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