Science fights against religion - the pope not wanted

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Whaleboy
I'm with BK. It would have been far better to have the pope deliver his speech and then have his opinions utterly eviscerated by the students in the open.

"The answer to bad speech is not less speech but more speech."

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Tuberski
Might as well ask for chastity in a whorehouse.

Ha! You vastly underestimate my ability to strike out with women.

[Perfection]

Originally posted by Tuberski
Might as well ask for chastity in a whorehouse.

I ask for Chastity at my local whorehouse on Tuesdays and Thursdays. Fridays I ask for Candi.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Perfection
I don't see how the firing is unjustified. If you want to represent a religion, you should follow its dogma.

Which ones ? After all, you're assuming that even in intellectual terms the Roman Catholic Church is being honest.

Papal infallibillity has no biblical or even apocryphal foundation.

The Vatican's position has always been:

Do as we say: don't do as we do.

"The answer to bad speech is not less speech but more speech."

Zkribbler

Tell the Vatican that- they're the ones who need to learn the lesson most urgently.


The Pope wasn't denied the opportunity of speaking, he cowardly shied away from criticism and confrontation. He's normally surrounded by yes-eunuchs after all.

“Nowhere else in the world did an institution try to control the medium of modern times, the book, for over 400 years,” said the 44-year-old Wolf, a diocesan priest and professor of history at Münster University in Germany.

“Rome monitored the book market and reviewed all important publications.”

http://www.americamagazine.org/content/article.cfm?article_id=3998

The first Index, as one might expect, published in 1559, banned all books by Luther, Calvin and other Protestant reformers. Since translating the Bible into vernacular tongues was a Protestant specialty, all Bibles but the Latin Vulgate were banned. The Talmud and the Koran were also taboo. But the Index didn’t stop there. It also drew up lists of books that should be purged of passages that conflicted with church teaching. Classical writers—including Plato, Aristotle, Cicero, Virgil, Homer, Euclid, Hippocrates, Thucydides and others—were put on the expurgatio list because they reflected pagan beliefs. Books translated by Protestants had to be filtered for offending passages. In some cases, a book only had to be printed in a “Protestant” city to earn a place on the list of objectionable works.

and so on:

Banned philosophy books included works by Descartes, Spinoza, Locke, Hume, Rousseau, Voltaire, Pascal, Kant and Mill. Among the novelists listed were Balzac, Flaubert, Hugo, Zola, D’Annunzio and Moravia. Books by Defoe and Swift were blacklisted, as were Casanova’s memoirs. The censors’ zeal varied over the years and lost steam as the 20th century wore on. One of their last targets was Sartre, whose complete works were banned as early as 1948.

Note- Sartre lived for quite some time after 1948, so not only was the Vatican banning what he'd written, they were also banning the books (on any subject, of any length) he had yet to write.

[Patroklos]

Did you just bring up Sartre? You sad, sad soul

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
And yes, Blackcat, if the students invite flat earthers, they should be permitted to speak on campus. That's the whole point of letting students invite people to speak there.

Actually, I prefer that everyone is allowed to say what they want and be shot down accordingly. It actually works fine with our local nazis - they talk and are laughed at (well, maybe bullied a bit, but who cares ).

The difference with the pope is that he is supposed to be some kind of oracle due to his title. These protestors are saying no to this claim and are displaying his idiocity with references to his claims about "fair trial" for Galileo.

There is certainly reason for letting people with contradictionary views speak at universities, but the pope shuld be ranked at same level as a common street preacher for some homebrew religion.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Patroklos
Did you just bring up Sartre? You sad, sad soul

No, I brought up the Vatican's banning of Sartre's complete oeuvre, before it was even all written.

The subject after all, you sad illiterate (or perhaps you're simply inattentive ?), was censorship.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by BlackCat
There is certainly reason for letting people with contradictionary views speak at universities, but the pope shuld be ranked at same level as a common street preacher for some homebrew religion.

That's ridiculous, the pope is much more influent than a common street preacher.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris


That's ridiculous, the pope is much more influent than a common street preacher.

Yep, a fact that I find pretty rediciusly.

[DinoDoc]

Is this still going on? I'm still waiting to find out what anti-science statement the Pope uttered though.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Is this still going on? I'm still waiting to find out what anti-science statement the Pope uttered though.

If he recites the Nicene Creed, that'll do for me.

[Cort Haus]

He has since been criticised by Latin Americans for his views on the colonisation of their continent and by Protestants for saying their denominations ought not to be considered as churches.

This Pope fella should have been an interflump troll.

[Heresson]

Yeah, atheists of Europe can be proud. They have their own fundamentalists now.

Galileo's trial was due to religious reasons, his comments on teh Bible. I see nothing wrong with him being trialed for that.

[DaShi]

I think some people here owe the Pope an apology.