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    Let's talk about them.

    I mean their fashion sense is way off: Where are the parrots? What’s up with the turbans? How can you be a pirate without drinking rum or stealing from poor starving pop stars?
    Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
    The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
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    Lack of parrots allowed them to be pwnd by the Americans in 1805 and again in 1815.
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    • #3
      Well, the American navy of the time was nothing special.

      SO I guess I’m interested in how exactly did the US secure its victory?
      Last edited by Heraclitus; January 8, 2008, 17:17.
      Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
      The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
      The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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      • #4
        You may believe that but teh Euros were unable to take advantage of thier lack of parrots and continued to pay bribes until the 1830s.
        I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
        For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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        • #5
          Originally posted by DinoDoc
          You may believe that but teh Euros were unable to take advantage of thier lack of parrots and continued to pay bribes until the 1830s.
          I find it hard to believe European colonial powers, couldn't handle a bunch pirates after they were defeated by a second if not third class power. Especially considering the naval build-up of the Napoleonic wars. Maybe “some” countries paid “some” tribute, but the US defeating them, must have been a clear signal that they were a paper tiger. I’m certain that the tributes must have fallen to very low levels.
          Last edited by Heraclitus; January 8, 2008, 20:29.
          Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
          The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
          The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Heraclitus
            SO I guess I’m interested in how exactly did the US secure its victory?
            During which war? The 1st or 2nd?
            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
            For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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            • #7
              1st
              Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
              The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
              The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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              • #8
                I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                • #9
                  We didn't win the first. We paid a ransom to get our sailors from the USS Philadelphia back.

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                  • #10
                    Better here than Philadelphia.
                    THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
                    AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
                    AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
                    DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Zkribbler
                      We didn't win the first. We paid a ransom to get our sailors from the USS Philadelphia back.
                      I thought that DinoDoc knew what he was talking about, sorry.
                      Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
                      The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
                      The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Heraclitus


                        I thought that DinoDoc knew what he was talking about, sorry.
                        Usually, he does. I always pay attention to what he says.

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                        • #13
                          Derna could and probably should have been used as a way to get our people back without paying anything, Zk. If not for an almost genetic desire on the part of Democrats to surrender, it probably would have. You also fail to consider that it was the blockade and raids that brought the Pirates to the negotiating table to begin with.
                          I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                          For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                          • #14
                            You also fail to consider that it was the blockade and raids that brought the Pirates to the negotiating table to begin with.
                            We blockaded them during the entire war. Nothing new there. Basically, it was that one "negotiator" of ours who threw in the sponge.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by DinoDoc
                              You may believe that but teh Euros were unable to take advantage of thier lack of parrots and continued to pay bribes until the 1830s.
                              From the wiki link you posted, it sounds more like the pirates were no threat to neither France nor UK, and so were not worth a war.
                              It looks like those pirates thought they could take advantage of Americans who looked weaker since they lost the protection of the royal navy.
                              The books that the world calls immoral are the books that show the world its own shame. Oscar Wilde.

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