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    Toyota knocks Ford out of second place

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    http://money.aol.com/news/articles/_a/toyota-knocks-out-ford-but-not-gm/20080103123109990001


    Lousy cars, burn too much gas, stupid advertising. I used to drive Fords until my Windstar turned out to be crap, turned that in for a Toyota Rav4 which is pretty good on gas and runs well.

    Think this will wake them up? They need real hybrids, the ones that get 60 and 70 mpg. Why is it the Japanese are always 10 years ahead of Detroit?
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    • #3
      Funny how when you make good, solid, reliable and fuel efficient cars, people buy them, isn't it?

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      • #4
        I was actually under the impression Toyota was #2 for years already. Marketing
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        • #5
          I had actually thought they had passed GM earlier this year.
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          • #6
            Two different metrics that sometimes aren't spelled out very well. Toyota just passed Ford for second place in the US. In 2008, Toyota will pass GM for first place worldwide.
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            • #7
              Depends on teh measure. Teh OP refers to US sales.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Arrian
                Funny how when you make good, solid, reliable and fuel efficient cars, people buy them, isn't it?

                -Arrian
                My sis is a big shopper on fuel efficiency and she says that Ford sucks badly on fuel efficiency, but that GM compares very favorably with the Japanese companies.

                I haven't seen the figures to confirm whether or not this is the case, but note that Ford really tries to sell fuel efficiencies that just aren't that good (like 34 mpg on a subcompact car that I saw yesterday).
                I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                • #9
                  Well that's where "good, solid, reliable" come in, Dan.

                  I just ran a quick search of Chevrolets (obviously not all of GM), and the BEST one I saw was a hybrid that was rated at 24/32. There was a big pile of much, much worse.

                  -Arrian
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                  The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                  • #10
                    No doubt. There's also value. Some of these Detroit cars have shocking depreciation rates, even if they routinely can run 200k+ miles.
                    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                    • #11
                      And no doubt at least some of that is left over reputation - even if Detroit really is making better cars, it will take time to convince people of it (like me - I grew up during a period where Detroit = crap, period).

                      They've got their work cut out for them.

                      -Arrian
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                      The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                      • #12
                        Hey, what's wrong with Windstars?
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                        • #13
                          grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                          The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DanS
                            No doubt. There's also value. Some of these Detroit cars have shocking depreciation rates, even if they routinely can run 200k+ miles.
                            Yeah, but you'd be pretty hard pressed to find any mass-produced car made outside of the third world that can't run 200k+ miles these days.
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                            • #15
                              Toyota passed GM in world wide sales and is already number 1.

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