First they came for the teenagers.....

[Zoid]

Originally posted by BlackCat


Yeah, I guess that no swedes know about the stockholmian "incident".

I really don't mind that there are people that "remembers" that pretty ordinary people didn't mind to commit atrocities.

That is actually a good thing to remember in the hope that it doesn't happen again. A good example is the former Yougoslavia where people wasn't reminded of such.

That's not my point. Remembrance is good, using that remembrance for other purposes is just plain wrong.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Zoid


That's not my point. Remembrance is good, using that remembrance for other purposes is just plain wrong.

I think that you are trying to promote some pet peevee, but what the heck has that to do with the OP ?

I agree with LOTM that the comparison is a bit far streched, but a slippery slope starts with a small step.

[VetLegion]

Originally posted by Riesstiu IV
Whoops, looks like I helped trigger Godwin's law.

You, sir, are an expert troll

[VetLegion]

Originally posted by BlackCat
That is actually a good thing to remember in the hope that it doesn't happen again. A good example is the former Yougoslavia where people wasn't reminded of such.

It's a bad analogy. Bad things in Yugoslavia in the 1990s didn't happen because nobody remembered the past, but because it was an unholy union. When the only thing that held it together (authority of the dictator) dissapeared, the centrifugal forces of nationalism demolished it. I have spoken.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by VetLegion


It's a bad analogy. Bad things in Yugoslavia in the 1990s didn't happen because nobody remembered the past, but because it was an unholy union. When the only thing that held it together (authority of the dictator) dissapeared, the centrifugal forces of nationalism demolished it. I have spoken.

No offense Vetty, but I seriously doubt that they knew that it was common people that committed the atrocities - my guess is that they were teached that it was the evil capitalists that was to blame

[VetLegion]

No offense Catwoman, but that is not so, it is as I have said. Find some analogy in Danish history you can defend, OK?

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by VetLegion
No offense Catwoman, but that is not so, it is as I have said. Find some analogy in Danish history you can defend, OK?

Here I do my best for excusing your atrocities, but you insist to claim that you (and your neighbours) did it because you want to do it. Well, have it your way.

[VetLegion]

I burp in your general direction. Whenever we did something questionable it was under a dictatorial yoke of this type or the other, unlike you who democratically chose to occupy Iraq on basis of no evidence and no threat to you whatsoever. Triggerhappy Danes in search for cheap oil for LEGO

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by VetLegion
I burp in your general direction. Whenever we did something questionable it was under a dictatorial yoke of this type or the other

If it offended you so much, why didn't you fight it ?

, unlike you who democratically chose to occupy Iraq on basis of no evidence and no threat to you whatsoever.

Funny, "no evidence" is a two egged sword - in this case it was chosen that it wasn't disproved that there were wmd's

Triggerhappy Danes in search for cheap oil for LEGO [/Q

Well, I guess that there would be a lot of crying children if LEGO didn't get their oil - I guess that the fact that we are exporting oil doesn't mean much ?

[VetLegion]

Originally posted by BlackCat
Funny, "no evidence" is a two egged sword - in this case it was chosen that it wasn't disproved that there were wmd's

I can't disprove that you have monkey porn on your hard disk, so I chose to report you to the animal protection society? Let's not go there in this thread but you know it's silly.

[OzzyKP]

Re: First they came for the teenagers.....

Originally posted by BeBro
....or how Germany debates whether to send people into camps again.

Silly German CDU politicians, before people forget what asshattery their party is capable of doing they remind us with some great ideas how to combat youth crime. Because some violent attacks (well exactly two cases) of young against older people made the headlines here in recent days they come up with totally new and unheard stuff like:

- we need more drastic penalties, because we all know how that gets rid of crime
- and - my favourite - we need the possibility to send young (teenage) criminals into bootcamps (which so far don't exist here), because in the unthinkable case that more penalties don't help more drill will surely solve the problem

BTW, the guys who call for that most often are currently in election campaigns.

/rant end

The GAO report on boot camps in the United States:

http://www.youthrights.org/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=133

For those that joke and minimize them, I suggest you read or at least skim that report. It is no Holocaust, but it is a serious tragedy.

Btw, BeBro, check this group out:

http://kraetzae.de/home/

They are more radical than my group and I'm not sure how big they are anymore or what they are working on now, but I'm sure they agree with you.

[Zoid]

Originally posted by BlackCat


I think that you are trying to promote some pet peevee, but what the heck has that to do with the OP ?

I agree with LOTM that the comparison is a bit far streched, but a slippery slope starts with a small step.

I blame Riesstiu...

[BeBMan]

Wow, what a threadjack.

But thx Ozzy.

[Patroklos]

Bootcamp

It is not the drill that does it, it is the structured enviroment (like the one responsible parents create). Drill helps though

Many of these places function as classrooms as well. Removing a youths from their gangs/poverty and forcing them to perform/giving them nothing else to do shows them there really was nothing holding them back in the classroom but themselves. Maybe, MAYBE, that will stick when they return home.

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by Riesstiu IV


I meant Jews as in the youth of Germany are successful at business and intelligent. Why such morbid thoughts?

You'll have to forgive LotM, he wears his Jew on his sleeve...