Ron Paul Unfairly Kicked Out of Debates

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Edan


You really think he's the third top candidate?

(For the record, I probably wouldn't include Thompson in the debate, either)

In New Hampshire, yes. The polls show him holding consistantly in 3rd-4th place. Since we're talking about New Hampshire that is the poll we should look at.

Nationwide he isn't a top candidate at all but fundraising wise he's definately in the top tier.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by -Jrabbit
The very first time I saw him, he was pretty much admitting he was tilting at windmills. To me, it's a big part of his charm.

That's basically my position too. That and I hate to see him excluded while less viable candidates are included.

[Deity Dude]

Originally posted by The diplomat


A candidate can have all the media exposure in the world, it still won't help if people don't agree with the candidate's position on issues. The fact is that Ron Paul's views are not mainstream in the Republican party. He could get 100% media coverage and he still would never get the nomination. He does not get a lot of coverage because he is not mainstream.

Media exposure matters thats why candidates campaign. Debates matter, thats why candidates attend them. When you aren't mainstream but you are right it takes longer and more exposure to convince

People want to hear from the real candidates.

Is Guiliani a real candidate? Ron PAul is leading imh in Iowa. If tied for 3rd isn't a real candidate then only 2 people should be in each debate.

[DanS]

Originally posted by Oerdin
That's basically my position too. That and I hate to see him excluded while less viable candidates are included.

As if you had any GOP candidate's best interests at heart.

[Dinner]

I do care for the fairness of the process even if I don't like the candidate.

That the GOP is so inherrently unfair to its own members says something.

[Deity Dude]

Originally posted by Oerdin
I do care for the fairness of the process even if I don't like the candidate.

That the GOP is so inherrently unfair to its own members says something.

It isn't the GOP per se because the head of the New Hampshire GOP wanted him in their. I'ts the media in this case FOX that continualy tries to minimize him and Kucinich too for that matter.

[DanS]

Originally posted by Oerdin
In New Hampshire, yes. The polls show him holding consistantly in 3rd-4th place.

The recent polls that I'm looking at show him almost always in 5th place.

[Deity Dude]

Originally posted by DanS


The recent polls that I'm looking at show him almost always in 5th place.

The most recent poll has him in a statistical tie for 3rd in both Iowa and New Hampshire.

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by Oerdin
An interesting theory I've heard floating around the net is that the big wigs in the GOP & Fox News doubt Ron Paul's loyalty to the party and are afraid that he might run as an independent. Thus they want to deny him free exposure where ever possible fearing he might leave and take the Buchananites and Libertarians with him.

Ron Paul as an independent would spell doom for any GOP candidate by splitting their base. Even a few percentage points in key states would be enough.

Well according to 'poly count, most who guessed at the best third party canidate, guessed it would be Ron Paul.

After the travesty of a govmt we've had for the last 7 years, I vowed to never vote for a Republican again. I really like Ron Paul, if he wins the Republican nomination i'll vote for him.

[Lorizael]

But I thought you believed in evolution?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Deity Dude


The most recent poll has him in a statistical tie for 3rd in both Iowa and New Hampshire.

I think DanS was talking about the national polls. Why shouldnt a network, that has a national audience, be able to use national polls to indicate importance if they want to?

[Edan]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


I think DanS was talking about the national polls.

Actually, the latest CNN Iowa poll has Paul tied with Giuliani for fifth place with Romney, Huckabee, Thompson and McCain all ahead of them. (And that's with Giuliani not really campaigning in either state, IIRC).

Why shouldnt a network, that has a national audience, be able to use national polls to indicate importance if they want to?

Indeed.

[Deity Dude]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


I think DanS was talking about the national polls. Why shouldnt a network, that has a national audience, be able to use national polls to indicate importance if they want to?

Because the purpose of this particular debate is for the New Hampshire primary.

[Deity Dude]

Originally posted by Edan


Actually, the latest CNN Iowa poll has Paul tied with Giuliani for fifth place with Romney, Huckabee, Thompson and McCain all ahead of them. (And that's with Giuliani not really campaigning in either state, IIRC).

Actually the latest Iowa poll was done by Zogby 12/29-01/01 with a 3.5% +/- confidence factor.

Huckabee 28
Romney 26
McCain 12
Thmpson 12
Paul 9
Guiliani 7

That put Paul in a statistical dead heat with McCain and Thompson for 3rd place

In New Hampshire it is:

McCain 32
Romney 23
Guiliani 11
Huckabee 10
Paul 8
Thompson 2

Once again that puts Paul in a statistical tie for 3rd place this time with Huckabee and Guiliani.

[DanS]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
I think DanS was talking about the national polls. Why shouldnt a network, that has a national audience, be able to use national polls to indicate importance if they want to?

No, I was talking about the New Hampshire polls, almost all of which are showing Paul in 5th place. Add all those polls together and there is no "tied for 3rd place."