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    Congress removes head from rectum, mandates that next Cruiser Class be nuclear powered.

    December 24, 2007: The U.S. Navy has been ordered, by Congress, to use nuclear power in its new class of cruisers (the CG-21s). That should not be a problem, as the CG-21 is currently planned to be about 14,000 tons. But depending on the size of the nuclear power plant for the cruiser (one based on those used for nuclear subs, or the larger ones found in nuclear aircraft carriers), the CGN-21 might be a more conventional, 25,000 ton, design.

    The new destroyer (DD-21) has a stealthy superstructure, and is as big as a battleship, at least a battleship of a century ago, The new 14,000 tons design, is 600 feet long and 79 feet wide. A crew of 150 sailors will operate a variety of weapons, including two 155mm guns, two 40mm automatic cannon for close in defense, 80 Vertical Launch Tubes (containing either anti-ship, cruise or anti-aircraft missiles), six torpedo tubes, a helicopter and three helicopter UAVs. The CGN-21 would drop one of the 155mm guns and the torpedo tubes, but carry more vertical cells for missiles (especially anti-ballistic missile missiles).

    A century ago, a Mississippi class battleship displaced 14,400 tons, was 382 feet long and 77 feet wide. A crew of 800 operated a variety of weapons, including four 12 inch, eight 8 inch, eight 7 inch twelve 3 inch, twelve 47mm and four 37mm guns, plus four 7.62mm machine-guns. There were also four torpedo tubes. The Mississippi had a top speed of 31 kilometers an hour, versus 54 for DD-21. But the Mississippi had one thing DD-21 lacked, armor. Along the side there was a belt of 9 inch armor, and the main turrets had 12 inch thick armor. The Mississippi had radio, but the DD-21 has radio, GPS, sonar, radar and electronic warfare equipment.

    Adjusted for inflation, the century old Mississippi class ships cost about half a billion dollars (adjusted for inflation). The new CGN-21 cruisers will cost about $3 billion each, thus possessing the price, and size, if not the name, of a battleship.
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    House and Senate lawmakers are requiring the Navy to power its future classes of cruisers with nuclear reactors, unless the service decides that doing so isn't "in the national interest." This somewhat muddled provision is contained in the recently released fiscal 2008 defense authorization bill.

    The provision states that all new ship classes of submarines, aircraft carriers and cruisers should be built with nuclear power plants. Since the Navy's plans for submarines and carriers already include nuclear propulsion, the provision would most directly affect the service's next-generation cruiser, designated CG(X). If nuclear powered, the service's designation for the ship would be CGN(X).

    The Navy plans to award the contract for the lead ship of the CG(X) class of cruisers in 2011, at an estimated cost of $3.2 billion, and 18 more by 2023.Because of the long lead times needed to order nuclear components, procurement funds for the proposed cruiser's nuclear power plant would have to be included in the 2009 budget, currently being drafted by the Defense Department.

    But if the Navy prefers to equip its future cruisers with conventional power, it does have an out. The measure states that with the budget request for the CG(X), the Defense secretary can submit a notification that "inclusion of an integrated nuclear power system is not in the national interest."

    Navy officials told Congress that equipping the service's future cruisers with nuclear power, instead of conventional oil burning power plants, would increase the price of a ship by $600 million to $700 million.

    The Navy also must report on the provision's potential impact on shipbuilders and whether additional yards must be certified to build nuclear-powered ships. Only two yards are certified to build nuclear-powered ships: Northrop Grumman Newport News, of Newport News, Va., and General Dynamics electric boat division of Groton, Conn. The two yards have built every nuclear-powered Navy vessel since 1969.

    The Navy also has stated that due to the huge power demands of a cruiser's anti-ballistic missile radar and the rising cost of oil and gas, nuclear power might be more appropriate, according to a recent Congressional Research Service report.

    The House bill contained the nuclear power provision, and is strongly favored by House Armed Services Committee, seapower subcommittee chairman Gene Taylor, D-Miss., and ranking member Roscoe Bartlett, R-Md. The Senate version of the bill did not express a view.
    Once Peak Oil(tm) hits, the USN will consist of more than Submarines and Carriers...which means most other navies will be well and truly screwed. *Thumbs up*
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  • #2
    Who're the idiots not in favor of using a nuke reactor?

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    • #3
      When can we expect nuclear autos?
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      • #4
        All military equipment should be powered by the souls of our freshly slain enemies.
        Last edited by Riesstiu IV; December 29, 2007, 01:17.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by SlowwHand
          When can we expect nuclear autos?
          1957

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          • #6
            About time.

            A new Reactor can go 20 years without a refueling.

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            • #7
              I thought they merged with the WB to make CW.
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              • #8
                Re: Good News for the USN!

                Originally posted by Lonestar
                Once Peak Oil(tm) hits, the USN will consist of more than Submarines and Carriers...which means most other navies will be well and truly screwed. *Thumbs up*
                WOOT! MORE WARS!!!! DIE *****ES!!!!

                Because we ALL KNOW cruisers are hugely important in the modern world. Do they do anything but act as a deterrent for attacking aircraft carriers and act as hosts for massive homosexual orgies?
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                • #9
                  You're against massive homosexual orgies?
                  No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Re: Good News for the USN!

                    Originally posted by Asher
                    WOOT! MORE WARS!!!! DIE *****ES!!!!

                    Because we ALL KNOW cruisers are hugely important in the modern world. Do they do anything but act as a deterrent for attacking aircraft carriers and act as hosts for massive homosexual orgies?
                    What do you have against massive homosexual orgies?

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                    • #11
                      No, but they're much cheaper at my place than at sea hunting "towel heads" in the middle east.
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                      • #12
                        Re: Re: Re: Good News for the USN!

                        Originally posted by Kuciwalker


                        What do you have against massive homosexual orgies?
                        Did you stare at your screen for 10+ minutes to come up with this, or did you simply ignore the post right before yours?
                        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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                        • #13
                          What possible use does America have for several $3 billion hulks that will most likely never fire a shot in anger... unless it's a cursory salvo of cruise missiles at Iran a la USS Mississippi right before being mothballed.

                          The battleship is dead. Surface + ASW can be handled by destroyers, surely everything else can be handled by subs and carriers?
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                          • #14
                            They sound better than the Royal Navy's exorbitant Type 45 destroyers, in that they have 80 missiles, rather than 48. That way, they'll survive a determined air attack for a bit longer.

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                            • #15
                              So, what happens when one of those ships takes an Excocet or silkworm right in the reactor?
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