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  • #46
    Police: Tiger attack victim was drinking, admitted taunting

    SAN FRANCISCO, California (AP) -- One of the three victims of a San Francisco Zoo tiger attack was intoxicated and admitted to yelling and waving at the animal while standing atop the railing of the big cat enclosure, police say in court documents.

    Paul Dhaliwal, 19, told the father of Carlos Sousa Jr., 17, who was killed, that the three yelled and waved at the tiger but insisted they never threw anything into its pen to provoke the cat, according to a search warrant affidavit obtained Thursday by the San Francisco Chronicle.

    "As a result of this investigation, (police believe) that the tiger may have been taunted/agitated by its eventual victims," according to Inspector Valerie Matthews, who prepared the affidavit. Police believe that "this factor contributed to the tiger escaping from its enclosure and attacking its victims," she said.

    Sousa's father, Carlos Sousa Sr., said Dhaliwal told him the three stood on a 3-foot-tall metal railing a few feet from the edge of the tiger moat. "When they got down they heard a noise in the bushes, and the tiger was jumping out of the bushes on him (Paul Dhaliwal)," the documents said.

    Police found a partial shoe print that matched Paul Dhaliwal's on top of the railing, Matthews said in the documents. Watch how a victim's desperate 911 call was handled »

    The papers said Paul Dhaliwal told Sousa that no one was dangling his legs over the enclosure. Authorities believe the tiger leaped or climbed out of the enclosure, which had a wall 4 feet shorter than the recommended minimum.

    The affidavit also cites multiple reports of a group of young men taunting animals at the zoo, the Chronicle reported.

    Mark Geragos, an attorney for the Dhaliwal brothers, did not immediately return a call late Thursday by The Associated Press for comment. He has repeatedly said they did not taunt the tiger.

    Calls to Sousa and Michael Cardoza, an attorney for the Sousa family, also weren't returned.

    Toxicology results for Dhaliwal showed that his blood alcohol level was 0.16 -- twice the legal limit for driving, according to the affidavit. His 24-year-old brother Kulbir Dhaliwal and Sousa also had alcohol in their blood but within the legal limit, Matthews wrote.

    All three also had marijuana in their systems, Matthews said. Kulbir Dhaliwal told police that the three had smoked pot and each had "a couple shots of vodka" before leaving San Jose for the zoo on Christmas Day the affidavit said.

    Police found a small amount of marijuana in Kulbir Dhaliwal's 2002 BMW, which the victims rode to the zoo, as well as a partially filled bottle of vodka, according to court documents.

    Investigators also recovered messages and images from the cell phones, but apparently nothing incriminating in connection with the tiger attack, the Chronicle reported.

    Sam Singer, a spokesman for the zoo, said he had not seen the documents but believed the victims did taunt the animal, even though they claim they hadn't.

    "Those brothers painted a completely different picture to the public and the press," Singer said. "Now it's starting to come out that what they said is not true."


    Now can we nominate Carlos jr for a Darwin Award?
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    • #47
      Has anyone said this yet?

      Yay Tigers!
      I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
      - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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      • #48
        Yay tiger? Comrade, a human life is gone and so is a tiger. Every human being is precious, and tigers are endangered. This is a lose / lose situation.
        Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Dis

          Either way, you can see why I hate zoos. Humans are cruel to these animals and taunt them. I'm sure this isn't the only case of this.
          I agree with you, Dis, but something to keep in mind is that in a few decades, the only place tigers will exist is in zoos. There is a whole lot wrong with zoos, but we need them in order to keep some of our megafauna around.
          Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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          • #50
            Originally posted by chegitz guevara
            Yay tiger? Comrade, a human life is gone and so is a tiger. Every human being is precious, and tigers are endangered. This is a lose / lose situation.
            For once though the tiger got to be a tiger.
            I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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            • #51
              Typically, only old or injured tigers hunt humans. We are not the prey of choice. We generally aren't even targets of opportunity by tigers.
              Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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              • #52
                Unless we taunt them?
                I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                • #53
                  Unless the kids were throwing things at the tiger, it probably didn't care about being "taunted." It's not like tigers understand speech or intent. More likely the tiger noticed that prey had moved close enough to be taken.
                  Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                  • #54
                    Then you are not prey, but rather an ******* selected for retribution and territorial education.

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                    • #55
                      Yo old man, long time no see.
                      Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                        You know, instead of just admitting you were wrong [...]
                        No, no. I won't hear of it. That particular honour seems to have once again fallen upon you.

                        Reality and chegitz guevara really don't mix too well once the cold, hard facts start to surface. But what else is new here.

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                        • #57
                          The difference, Winston, is that you simply claimed that such taunting had taken place without any evidence. Once that was point out, you shoved off and hid under the table until such evidence came along. Then you bravely returned to confront me. I never said that tiger was not taunted. I said you were jumping to conclusions. That your assumptions turned out to be correct does not change the fact that you had no evidence for your belief in the first place. Furthermore, what you were wrong about was that the articles said that the tiger was taunted. The article did not say that. So you are still wrong!
                          Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                          • #58
                            Lest Winnie forget.

                            Originally posted by Winston


                            Wow.

                            One day you're one of a group of morons taunting a wild animal, next day you're a hero. Isn't it wonderful what a little well-coreographed press spin will do to your reputation.

                            I'm not buying it.

                            And as for who's the "victim" (great word, that) in all of this, I'll still have to go with the tiger before anyone else.
                            Originally posted by Winston
                            I'm also assuming that you didn't bother to read the thread and stories linked to therein before posting.

                            And of course, the application of a bit of common sense is, as usual, right out.
                            Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                            • #59
                              Heh, keep it up. I never tire of seeing you embarrass yourself in this way.

                              Hint: Try turning the table around and see how well your own unfounded assumptions, lack of common sense and jumping to conclusions actually held up. Add in your total inability to even address the fact that your position on what caused this incident has been wrong all along and yes, by all means, keep digging yourself in deeper. And please, don't ever change.

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                              • #60
                                Enlighten us, Winnie. What exactly did I say the cause was again? What did I say happened?
                                Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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