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  • #31
    I just find it hard to accept that all the matter in the universe existed at one point prior to the Big Bang.
    Last edited by Riesstiu IV; December 20, 2007, 14:01.

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    • #32
      That's great, but beliefs don't affect reality.
      Click here if you're having trouble sleeping.
      "We confess our little faults to persuade people that we have no large ones." - François de La Rochefoucauld

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      • #33
        Nor do theories.
        Monkey!!!

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        • #34
          I'm not saying the Big Bang theory is a flat out lie. Anything I've read or watched is only speculative and there seems to be little verifiable scientific evidence about any theory of creation.

          I just think it's arrogant to claim that one way and only one way lead to creation. The universe is big and we know so little about it. I won't claim that any theory is absolutely right or wrong.

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          • #35
            That's right. Theories describe reality.

            Whereas beliefs describe what you believe.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by Riesstiu IV
              I'm not saying the Big Bang theory is a flat out lie. Anything I've read or watched is only speculative and there seems to be little verifiable scientific evidence about any theory of creation.

              I just think it's arrogant to claim that one way and only one way lead to creation. The universe is big and we know so little about it. I won't claim that any theory is absolutely right or wrong.
              There are several different models for the creation of the universe. Based on the evidence, the Big Bang theory is the most likely scenario scientists have right now. That may change if the evidence changes.

              Beliefs, however, change when you want them to, based on whatever.

              So which one is arrogant?
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              • #37
                In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. (Genesis 1:1) circa pre-first century BC

                1912 AD Vesto Slipher measured the first Doppler shift of a "spiral nebula". This is the first step in leading to the big bang theory, according to Wikipedia.

                Beliefs, however, change when you want them to, based on whatever.
                Nice troll.
                Monkey!!!

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                • #38
                  I don't understand why Lori is going on about "beliefs".

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                  • #39
                    because he wants to be trolled
                    Monkey!!!

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Lorizael
                      That's right. Theories describe reality.

                      Whereas beliefs describe what you believe.

                      Crapola. Theories lead to beliefs. Scientific theory is not greater than religious theory.
                      Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                      "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                      He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by SlowwHand



                        Crapola. Theories lead to beliefs. Scientific theory is not greater than religious theory.
                        Please, there are several important theoretical differences to put it mildly.
                        Last edited by Heraclitus; December 20, 2007, 15:01.
                        Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
                        The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
                        The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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                        • #42
                          And the ignorance comes flooding forward...
                          Speaking of Erith:

                          "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

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                          • #43
                            You know, I try to be open to people who believe in religion, but then they say stupid **** about science without understanding the underpinnings, attacking it from a position of ignorance.

                            Then again, he's Texan, so.
                            B♭3

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                            • #44
                              Well that's it, isn't it? If I dare to say something negative about religion I know about it in no uncertain terms. But when the opposite happens, that is fine. It's like listening to spoilt little brats sometimes.
                              Speaking of Erith:

                              "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

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                              • #45
                                Ooh ooh, I want to make fun of Sloww too.
                                “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
                                "Capitalism ho!"

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