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    Look, you don't need to use guns, tasers, or head-smashing-into-concrete to diffuse a situation: http://calsun.canoe.ca/News/Alberta/...28294-sun.html

    Kudos to cops after brawl

    By NADIA MOHARIB, SUN MEDIA

    Senior officers are giving a group of cops kudos for the restraint they showed in defusing a volatile situation with a naked man yesterday.

    The incident, which saw an officer repeatedly punched, a police dog attacked and at least a half-dozen officers needed to restrain a man, occurred as police nationwide are under fire by everyone from pundits to taxpayers on the heels of high-profile cases where Tasers were used to subdue suspects.

    Insp. Luch Berti said he hopes the cops' skilful handling of yesterday's explosive situation provides something of a rebuttal to critics who accuse police of being trigger-happy in ramping up use-of-force actions.

    "He used a lot of discretion and restraint," Berti said of the first officer, who arrived at the scene by himself.

    "He could have made a lot of other choices on escalation of use of force."

    Berti added the incident underscores not only the perils cops can face, but a possible scenario where a Taser might be an appropriate tool.

    "This is my opinion, but a Taser would have put him in a position where he was unable to resist," he said. "It could have ended the fight a lot sooner, putting the officer and subject in a safer position."

    At about 3 a.m., cops were called after citizens saw a naked man, about 5-ft.-11 and more than 250 lbs., walking in the street near the Calgary Zoo.

    The first officer arrived, saw the man was in distress, and called for an ambulance and back-up.

    The officer was trying to talk with the man when he "yelled at him and started punching with both fists," Berti said, adding the officer was struck in the face several times.

    "He was kicking and punching the officer, who was basically in a fight for his life."

    A minute or two later, a K9 unit arrived, sending in a dog as the still-combative man repeatedly claimed to be a devil worshipper.

    The dog was punched and rolled on by the man.

    Berti said, in the end, it was sheer force and numbers that defused the situation.

    It took five officers to restrain the man, who said he had used crystal meth and pot.

    Doctors suspected he was suffering from excited delirium -- an altered state of consciousness that made him a danger to himself and others.

    Calgary Police Association director John Dooks said excited delirium cases are "very volatile and unpredictable," with officers having to constantly re-assess the appropriate level of force required.

    Dooks commended the officers for their actions -- and the fact no one suffered serious harm.

    "I think they did really well given the circumstances," he said.

    "Not every situation will conclude like this, there will always be potential for tragic outcome."

    K9 unit Sgt. Shawn Sykes said the service dog, Pix, is expected to make a full recovery after the brawl in which charges are pending.

    "He's a little sore, but doing OK," said Sykes.
    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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    Restraint

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    • #3
      Uh, if you're getting punched then by all means use your taser! Idiot, probably just wanted to wrestle with the naked dude.
      Monkey!!!

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      • #4
        A half dozen cops getting the crap knocked out of them for no reason?

        Taze him!
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        • #5
          I see this as a case where a taser would have been the right choice... but he didn't have a taser the way I read it:

          "This is my opinion, but a Taser would have put him in a position where he was unable to resist," he said. "It could have ended the fight a lot sooner, putting the officer and subject in a safer position."


          Definitely true IMO ... Officers aren't paid to take a beating. Give them tasers, or perfect sonic weapons
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          • #6
            I know some K-9 cops, and you DON'T mess with their dog. Thats a quick way to get shot for real.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Japher
              Uh, if you're getting punched then by all means use your taser! Idiot, probably just wanted to wrestle with the naked dude.
              Calgary doesn't issue tasers to cops, last I knew...
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              • #8
                Having a unarmed subject well outnumbered is lot different than a one on one situation, much less risk.
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                • #9
                  I wasn't going to start yet another Taser thread but since Asher has gone and done it anyway...

                  Apparently they don't reduce police shootings so we can discard that argument.

                  WINNIPEG - Despite claims by politicians and some police officers that Tasers would save lives by preventing shootings, the devices that are being used by a growing number of police forces were never meant as an alternative to guns, experts say.

                  Statistics obtained by The Canadian Press bear out that idea, showing that in some of the cities that have recently adopted Tasers, the number of police shootings has remained fairly consistent and low, while Tasers are being used exponentially more often.

                  In Winnipeg, for example, police shootings of suspects are rare. There was one in 2003, and none in 2004. In 2006, the Winnipeg Police Service fired guns on suspects twice. They also started using Tasers in September of that year, firing them at individuals 37 times before the year was out.

                  "Tasers are not meant to replace firearms," Cst. Adam Cheadle, the service's use of force co-ordinator, said in a recent interview.

                  "The Taser is on the same playing field as a baton or (pepper) spray."

                  Taser is the trade name for what police usually call a "conductive energy device." The weapon fires a probe that delivers an electrical shock for five seconds, stunning the target's neuro-muscular system and usually causing him to fall from severe pain and muscle contractions. Its U.S.-based manufacturer boasts that the Taser "saves lives every day."

                  In Calgary, there was only one officer-involved shooting in 2003 - two years before Tasers were introduced - and none in 2007. So far this year, Calgary police have "deployed" (a term that includes any incident where the machine is unholstered and its laser is activated, even if it ends up not being fired) their Tasers 133 times.

                  In Montreal, police were involved in three shooting incidents in 2003, before they had Tasers. They also used their firearms three times last year, while firing Tasers 28 times.

                  Numbers in many other jurisdictions are hard to come by. The RCMP, whose members have fired Tasers more than 3,000 times since 2001, said it doesn't keep track of how often firearms are used across the country. Police spokespersons in Toronto, Vancouver and Halifax were unable to provide comparable statistics on Taser and gun usage.

                  The numbers that have been released counter the idea promoted by some politicians and police officials in the early 2000s, when the stun guns were being introduced, that officers would be able to use Tasers instead of their guns and that could save lives.

                  When the RCMP unveiled plans to equip its Alberta detachments with Tasers in 2002, Sgt. Steve Gleboff told reporters "what we're trying to do is eliminate the necessity to shoot somebody."

                  Two years later, when controversy erupted over Taser usage in Ontario, then-community safety minister Monte Kwinter said the devices were a better alternative to firearms.

                  Even the man currently probing the RCMP's use of Tasers, Paul Kennedy, head of the RCMP Public Complaints Commission, told a police oversight convention last year that being hit by a Taser was better than being hit by a bullet.

                  That expectation was wrong, according to the man who trains Calgary police officers to use Tasers.

                  "Use of force experts across Canada right now, we're kind of shaking our heads going, 'How did we give the impression to the lay public or the media that Tasers were ever supposed to be a replacement for lethal force?"' said Staff Sgt. Chris Butler.

                  "They were another use of force tool in the same regard as the baton, the O.C. spray. Just another tool."

                  While Tasers may not reduce the number of police shootings, Butler said they have succeeded in reducing the number of injuries that can result from an officer having to use a baton or pepper spray on a suspect, or wrestle with him.

                  "In 99.7 per cent of Taser uses, there are no injuries. When you compare that to a baton use, the statistical likelihood of injuries from a Taser deployment are much less."

                  The growing use of Tasers was highlighted in an interim report by the RCMP complaints commissioner last week, which said Taser use "has expanded to include subduing resistant subjects who do not pose a threat of grievous bodily harm or death and on whom the use of lethal force would not be an option."

                  In response, the Mounties issued new guidelines limiting Taser use to situations where "a subject is displaying combative behaviours or is being actively resistant."

                  Eighteen people in Canada have died in recent years after being hit by a Taser, although the company that manufactures the weapons stresses they have never been directly blamed for a death.


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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Asher

                    Calgary doesn't issue tasers to cops, last I knew...
                    That's what nightsticks are for then.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Asher

                      Calgary doesn't issue tasers to cops, last I knew...
                      They do.

                      From the article:

                      That expectation was wrong, according to the man who trains Calgary police officers to use Tasers.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola
                        Having a unarmed subject well outnumbered is lot different than a one on one situation, much less risk.

                        The title of the thread refers to a well-publicized incident were a student was tasered by a few policemen during a public debate with some big politician.

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                        • #13
                          why even bring up Tasers in the article then, if it wasn't an option? Which it was.
                          Monkey!!!

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                          • #14
                            The math doesn't make sense.

                            "In 99.7 per cent of Taser uses, there are no injuries.

                            ...

                            Eighteen people in Canada have died in recent years after being hit by a Taser

                            Let's assume that all injuries result in death.

                            With these numbers and the ridiculous assumption that all injures=death, we get 6,000 taserings in Canada in "recent years". Given the numbers by city we know of, that's clearly bull****.
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                            • #15
                              I believe the 18 number is not implying "18 people were killed by a Taser", but "18 people died after being hit by a Taser". Right or wrong, I believe they (presumably the pro-taser people) consider only a few of those actual taser-caused deaths. I don't recall what the other causes were, however...
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