Christians STILL burning witches

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by Kidicious

Good thing for us or we might find ourselves burned to death.

Communists have no problems working their slaves to death, though.

Originally posted by Kidicious

At any rate most of the women were murdered.

The point is, that "most" is actually a very small number.

Originally posted by Kidicious

It wasn't voluntary in most cases.

All the shrines which were erected to immortalise the woman who did it were for the ones who did it voluntarily.

Originally posted by Kidicious

And it definitely wasn't because of the Muslims.

Yes, it was. Had it not been for the ambient threat of being abused by the Muslim aristocracy, the custom would never have caught on.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by aneeshm
Communists have no problems working their slaves to death, though.

I do not condone owning slaves, let alone working them to death. Your antics are very childish.

The point is, that "most" is actually a very small number.

Under conditions that they are forced to kill themselves no voluntary actions should be considered trully voluntary.

All the shrines which were erected to immortalise the woman who did it were for the ones who did it voluntarily.

Again, I can't even comprehend.

Yes, it was. Had it not been for the ambient threat of being abused by the Muslim aristocracy, the custom would never have caught on.

wtf????!!!!

You talk like it "caught on" like going to the movies or something catches on.

[Elok]

Hey, Kid, local customs vary. Here in the West(TM), angsty chicks cut themselves. In India, they go all the way to self-immolation. It's a sign of their enlightenment.

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by Kidicious

I do not condone owning slaves, let alone working them to death. Your antics are very childish.

Given that I do not agree with the idea of killing someone against their consent, by the same standard, my Communist friend, so are yours.

Originally posted by Kidicious

Under conditions that they are forced to kill themselves no voluntary actions should be considered trully voluntary.

Correct. The conditions being of near-complete anarchy and instability.

Originally posted by Kidicious

Again, I can't even comprehend.

Don't you admire people who have to courage to die for their beliefs? In this case, people misused this potent symbolism. But that does not change the fact that it was a potent symbol.

Originally posted by Kidicious

wtf????!!!!

You talk like it "caught on" like going to the movies or something catches on.

It doesn't happen like that.

At first, it's that people praise the person who did it. They're impressed.

Then, there is a little bit of pressure put on people to do it - because it's thought of as a "good thing."

Then, people who don't do it are seen as not good.

Finally, it turns to full-blown force and coercion.








So a thing which, if done voluntarily, may be something like suicide, is now turned into murder. Never quickly, but it happens.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by aneeshm
Given that I do not agree with the idea of killing someone against their consent, by the same standard, my Communist friend, so are yours.

I can assure you that that's not the way it appears to anyone else besides yourself. You are calling it something else and then glorifying it.

Correct. The conditions being of near-complete anarchy and instability.

This statement doesn't mean anything to me.

Don't you admire people who have to courage to die for their beliefs? In this case, people misused this potent symbolism. But that does not change the fact that it was a potent symbol.

Do you admire the followers of cults who commit mass suicide? No. I do not admire people who commit suicide.

It doesn't happen like that.

At first, it's that people praise the person who did it. They're impressed.

Then, there is a little bit of pressure put on people to do it - because it's thought of as a "good thing."

Then, people who don't do it are seen as not good.

Finally, it turns to full-blown force and coercion.

And you blame the Muslims for that? That's incredible.

[Elok]

If someone points a gun at you and asks, "do you believe in X," and you say yes/no and get shot for it, then you're dying for your beliefs. Jumping on a fire because it's all the rage, or because you're too choked up to bear living, is just insane.

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by Kidicious

I can assure you that that's not the way it appears to anyone else besides yourself. You are calling it something else and then glorifying it.

Given that the only definition of Sati that could be found in the orthodox traditions is the one I referred to - spontaneous combustion - I'd say that it is you who are twisting the meanings of words.

Originally posted by Kidicious

This statement doesn't mean anything to me.

Your (lack of) knowledge on a particular period of Indian history is not my responsibility.

Originally posted by Kidicious

Do you admire the followers of cults who commit mass suicide? No. I do not admire people who commit suicide.

Would those cult members have been raped and brutalised if they had not committed suicide?

Originally posted by Kidicious

And you blame the Muslims for that? That's incredible.

The damn thing wouldn't have started at all had it not been for the disruption.

[Kidlicious]

aneeshm,

You can't be serious with all that. I'll leave it alone.

[BeBMan]

"My atrocities are much better then yours!" to sum up this thread.

[Elok]

Originally posted by aneeshm
Would those cult members have been raped and brutalised if they had not committed suicide?

So the belief these women are dying for is the belief that they should not be raped and brutalised? Sort of a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't thing, innit?

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by Elok


So the belief these women are dying for is the belief that they should not be raped and brutalised? Sort of a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't thing, innit?

Precisely.

[Elok]

You missed my point. First you said these women were dying for their beliefs and should be admired. Then when Kid said they were nuts, you backpedaled and claimed they faced a life of misery if they didn't throw themselves onto the bonfire. So which is it? Martyrs or victims?

[Dinner]

Originally posted by aneeshm


Can't do that, I'm afraid. There have been something like three or four "Satis" in the past 50 years, and at least one of them was a suicide.

Wow, you mean one Nigerian cultist burning his enemies and saying they're witches is enough to condemn Christianity but and equally odd and obscure practice in Indian isn't for Hinduism? Talk about a hypocrite.

[Kidlicious]

Oh what a tangled web we weave when at first....

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Elok
If someone points a gun at you and asks, "do you believe in X," and you say yes/no and get shot for it, then you're dying for your beliefs. Jumping on a fire because it's all the rage, or because you're too choked up to bear living, is just insane.

That assumes it's done willingly. Sure, everyone says the wife willingly jumped in, but she's not around to contradict anyone, is she?