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    If all 16 government agencies involved in gathering or processing intelligence have concluded that Iran stopped actively working on a bomb in 2003 then why is the Bush Administration so adament that they're still working on it? The only reasonable answer, assuming the Bushies aren't lying, is that they believe Iran has completed a nuclear weapons program and now just needs the actual fissile material. What say all of you?

    Iran has no nuke program, U.S. intel says
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    The consensus view of 16 agencies is that the nation halted its weapons project in 2003 because it feared international sanctions.
    By Greg Miller, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
    10:01 AM PST, December 3, 2007
    WASHINGTON -- U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded that Iran halted its nuclear weapons program in 2003 and that the threat of international sanctions has worked in compelling the Islamic republic to back away from its pursuit of the bomb.

    These judgments were among the key findings of a long-awaited intelligence report in which U.S. spy agencies retreated from earlier assessments that were more hard-line in their view of Iran's nuclear ambitions and intentions.

    The document, and the nuanced tone it strikes toward Iran, is likely to generate fierce new debate within the U.S. government, challenging the positions of officials, including Vice President Dick Cheney, who have urged taking a hard line against Tehran.

    The report also concludes that Iran "does not currently have a nuclear weapon," and that the country is unlikely to be capable of producing enough highly enriched uranium to make a bomb before 2009 at the earliest.

    The findings were included in a National Intelligence Estimate titled "Iran: Nuclear Intentions and Capabilities" that represents a consensus view of all 16 U.S. intelligence agencies.

    "We judge with high confidence that in fall 2003, Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program," the report says. "We also assess with moderate-to-high confidence that Tehran at a minimum is keeping open the option to develop nuclear weapons."

    But the intelligence community also acknowledged that emerging evidence has forced analysts to alter their views on Iran's intentions and capabilities. The changes portray Iran as more responsive to international pressure than previously thought.

    "Tehran's decisions are guided by a cost-benefit approach rather than a rush to a weapon irrespective of the political, economic and military cost," the report concludes. Overall, the report notes that Iran "is less determined to develop nuclear weapons than we have been judging since 2005."

    greg.miller@latimes.com
    Intelligence experts say such work has been shelved for now -- a change in consensus with major implications for U.S. policy.
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  • #2
    "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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    • #3
      You disagree with the findings of all 16 agencies?
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      • #4
        Click the effing smilie.
        I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
        For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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        • #5
          FOX says:

          The intelligence community has high confidence that Iran had a covert nuclear weapons program that it never acknowledged and continues to deny, National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley said Monday, but the program is currently halted although perhaps not indefinitely.
          One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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          • #6
            Now that I've taken a closer look at MOBIUS's necrophilia attempt (There's an image I wish would go away), I judge this not to be a copy cat thread. As such I will give a real response. If the nuke program is no more, why play games with the IAEA?
            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
            For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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            • #7
              If I had to guess I'd assume it was showmanship designed for domestic consumption. We're standing up to the American lackeys sort of BS.
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              • #8
                Never mind.
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                • #9
                  Sadly, it isn't.
                  I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                  For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                  • #10
                    The mods are welcome to merge Mobius's thread into this one so we can have a unified thread about Iran.
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                    • #11
                      I'd prefer that they just delete it. At least this one is about events from this year.
                      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                      For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                      • #12
                        Actually I was making a point that this was common knowledge two years ago...

                        Sucking you in and making you look silly was a not entirely unexpected bonus...
                        Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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                        • #13
                          does it really matter whether Iranians have nukes, they want to be free! Free Iran!
                          Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
                          GW 2013: "and juistin bieber is gay with me and we have 10 kids we live in u.s.a in the white house with obama"

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Oerdin
                            If I had to guess I'd assume it was showmanship designed for domestic consumption. We're standing up to the American lackeys sort of BS.
                            Does that not seem counterproductive to the main reason your report cited for dropping the program for the moment?
                            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                            For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                            • #15
                              The sad thing is, that since no one has access to the full text, everyone will be able to put what ever spin they want on this.


                              Saying that the Iranians halted (or at least slowed down) their program in 2003 is meaningful, but does not equal the program was disbanded and dissolved.

                              If they stopped having reached a very technological barrier, then they could go on at which ever point they want.

                              If they stopped scientific advancement, but continue building new reactors or continue buying more materials without physically installing them, the program is hardly "halted".

                              The phrase [Iran is] at a minimum is keeping open the option to develop nuclear weapons means that this is a very safe and probable assumption, and that the reasonable assumption is somewhere more pessimistic than that.

                              This The intelligence community has high confidence that Iran had a covert nuclear weapons program that it never acknowledged and continues to deny, seems different, but infact it is the same statement as in the LA Times, but with a different spin.


                              This text
                              "Tehran's decisions are guided by a cost-benefit approach rather than a rush to a weapon irrespective of the political, economic and military cost," the report concludes. Overall, the report notes that Iran "is less determined to develop nuclear weapons than we have been judging since 2005."

                              Is they key bottom line. This is what all of you should be paying attention to.

                              This is very important and lines out the expected strategy against Iran. Basically it says that conflict is avoidable and
                              reinforces the need for stern dialogue and the use of sticks and carrots. It says that this can work and that Iran is not likely to ignore international pressure.

                              It does not mean that there is no reason for pressure, nor does it mean that the pressure should become, somehow, softer.

                              Sometimes, war drums are a very good diplomatic signal. A threat that achieves its goal without being realized is also important.

                              One should notice, that it was probably the invasion of Iraq 2003 that shown Iran, that the US means business, since that is the date quoted for the cessation of advancement.

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