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    Bush White House proposes cuts to anti-terrorism funding

    By Eileen Sullivan and Devlin Barrett, The Associated Press


    WASHINGTON - The Bush administration intends to slash counterterrorism funding for police, firefighters and rescue departments across the country by more than half next year, according to budget documents obtained by The Associated Press.

    The Homeland Security Department has given $23billion to states and local communities to fight terrorism since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, but one document says the administration is not convinced that the money has been well spent and thinks the nation's highest-risk cities have largely satisfied their security needs.

    The department wanted to provide $3.2billion to help states and cities protect against terrorist attacks in 2009, but the White House said it would ask Congress for less than half - $1.4billion, according to a Monday document. The plan calls for outright elimination of programs for port security, transit security and local emergency management operations in the next budget year. This is President Bush's last budget, and the new administration would have to live with the funding decisions between Jan. 20 and Sept. 30, 2009.

    The Homeland Security department and the White House Office of Management and Budget, which is in charge of the administration's spending plans, would not provide details about the funding cuts because nothing has been finalized. "It would be premature to speculate on any details that will or will not be a part of the next fiscal year budget," OMB spokesman Sean Kevelighan said, because negotiations between the White House and the Cabinet departments over the budget are not finished.

    "There's been staunch support of our department, and you'll see it again this February" when Bush's 2009 budget emerges, Homeland Security spokesman Russ Knocke predicted.

    The proposal to drastically cut Homeland Security grants is at odds with some of the administration's own policies. For example, the White House recently promised continued funding for state and regional intelligence "fusion centers" - information-sharing centers the administration deems critical to preventing another terrorist attack. Cutting the grants would limit money available for the centers.

    The White House's plan to eliminate the port, transit and other grants, which are popular with state and local officials, would not go into effect until Sept. 30, 2008. Congress is unlikely to support the cuts and will ultimately decide the fate of the programs and the funding levels when it hashes out the department's 2009 budget next year. The White House routinely seeks to cut the budget requests of federal departments, but the cuts proposed for 2009 Homeland Security grants are far deeper than the norm. Congress has yet to approve the department's 2008 plan.

    "This budget proposal is dead on arrival," said Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif. "This administration runs around the country scaring people and then when it comes to putting their money where their mouth is, they say `sorry, the bank is closed."'

    California receives a large share of the counterterrorism money each year, and could lose more than $200 million under the White House plan.

    Boxer was particularly incensed about the proposal to end money for port security - a big concern on the West Coast. "California's ports carry over 47percent of all goods imported into the United States," she said. "A terrorist attack at any of California's ports could shut down our nation's port system and result in a mind-boggling loss for our nation's economy."

    Bipartisan opposition to deep cuts emerged from New York, another state that would be hard hit.

    "To zero out essential Homeland Security programs which have more to do with protecting Americans and fighting the War on Terror than much of the money spent in Iraq shows how warped and out of touch this administration's priorities are," said Sen. Charles Schumer, a Democrat.

    The proposal "goes totally in the wrong direction," said Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y. "This would be a very grave mistake, and I will do all I can to stop it."

    In some years the grant program has created more ill will than security. In 2005, the administration cut by 40percent the counterterrorism funding to New York and Washington, D.C., the two cities hit hardest on Sept. 11, 2001. New York lawmakers were furious, and the Homeland Security official in charge of the grants program eventually resigned. Since then, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff has promised to apply more common sense and less "bean-counting" in grant decisions.

    The White House plan calls for massive cuts in areas where Homeland Security officials had sought increases. The department requested $900million for grants to U.S. cities at greatest risk of attack. But the White House only wants to provide $400million for that program, to be divided among no more than 45 urban areas. In 2007, Congress gave New York City $134million - about one-third of the total amount the White House would give to the highest-risk areas in the country in 2009.

    While very popular in the states and among lawmakers who take credit for getting counterterrorism dollars to their districts, some of the grants have been criticized as wasteful or excessive.

    $345,000 for crashproof barriers and 60 closed-circuit cameras to monitor the University of Arkansas Razorback stadium, which local officials think could be a terrorist target.

    $5million for the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology to buy a nearly deserted town to use for counterterrorism training.

    $70,000 for Huntsville, Ala., to create a fallout shelter in an abandoned mine where 20,000 people could take cover underground.

    Several South Florida fire departments have used Homeland Security grants to beef up their gyms. Pompano Beach, Fla., spent $220,000 on fitness equipment for a wellness program, training and physical exams.

    While the White House would eliminate at least seven current Homeland Security grant programs, it would create two new grants:

    Targeted investment grants, which would fund administration priorities such as the requirement that states create more-secure driver licenses, secure credentials for transportation employees and state and local planning for catastrophic disasters. The White House would provide $450million for that.

    A $300million discretionary grant program for terrorism preparedness, prevention and response, which would fund specific projects instead of sending a set amount to each state.

    These grants have long been debated in Congress, particularly whether a certain amount should be guaranteed to each state regardless of its risk of being attacked by terrorists. Rural lawmakers have not wanted the money to be distributed based on risk alone.

    In a joint statement, Sens. Joseph I. Lieberman, I-Conn., and Susan Collins, R-Maine, chairman and ranking Republican on the Homeland Security Committee, said they "urge the administration to reconsider this wrong-headed strategy."
    Just when I thought Bush's War-on-Terror plans couldn't get any stupider.

  • #2
    When was the last time you saw a government program die, Z? I also think you failed to read past the bolded portion.
    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
    For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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    • #3
      Make the nation safe for tehorists too! End persecution against those who prefer teh!

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      • #4
        Proof that Bush controls teh tehorists!

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        • #5
          Tehorists
          THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
          AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
          AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
          DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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          • #6
            Bushy doing something sensible - I guess that oerdin won't survive this.
            With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

            Steven Weinberg

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            • #7
              This is actually very good IMO. Cut the inefficient things that only spends resources and aren't doing any good. In general level of course, where to cut is another question.
              In da butt.
              "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
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              • #8
                Considering he was the one that had to start, or escalate it, I don't really have a problem with him deciding what's required. No other U.S. president has had this kind of situation.
                Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                • #9
                  How about we start with getting rid of the insane security at airports, first?

                  911 could not happen again, no civilian airline population is going to site tight now if someone takes control of the plane anymore.

                  This is not 1980 where you should just hang tight and wait to be rescued. Flyers know better now.

                  The only thing we need to screen for at airports are explosives and we fail at that so much, its mostly a waste of time.

                  If we want to cut spending though, we could start by pulling out of Iraq and Afghanistan.

                  I really look forward to spending the rest of my life to pay off the debt for a war I don't support. Usually when someone puts a gun to your back and robs you(taxes), they are at least a LITTLE polite and don't burn the money in front of you.

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                  • #10
                    Do away with airport secuity? Spoken like a truly spoiled American. Those days are gone.
                    Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                    "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                    He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                    • #11
                      Truly spoiled American?

                      Not really.

                      How many attempts have been made in the last 7 years to blow up airplanes, by anyone competant enough to not fail?

                      As the Republicans told the American Sheeple in 2001 "If you live your life in fear, the terrorists win!"

                      The security we had in place before 2001 was effective enough to prevent any other serious highjacking in America for many years. All these new measures costs how many billions of dollars and how many wasted man hours? Are they effective at all?

                      I fail to see the point in spending countless billions in airport security and wasting lord only knows how many man hours both in workers efforts and in the publics time wasted, for no real benifit in security. People STILL sneak crap onto airplanes seemingly as much as before, every few months some government agency releases a report about how it suceeded in sneaking something it should not be able to onto an airplane and the big media outlets always ignore it.

                      The incompetance of our airport security is astounding, how about the no fly list which has the DEAD 9-11 highjackers on it and noted public figures who are anti republican?

                      Why waste all our money and time when it makes no damn difference?

                      While I am on the subject of enormous wastes of time, effort and money which don't make us any safer, disband the department of homeland security.

                      Almost every dollar which has been spent on "security" against terrorism since 2001 has been a complete waste and failed to make us safer in ANY way. I say almost because it is possible some of the money spent has actually made us safer and I am simply unaware of it, but I cannot think of a single example which actually made us safer.


                      ....and while I am on a tangent of incredible incompetance, we did exactly what the leaders of the Islamic fundamentalists wanted. Our actions have sent sympatherizers and new recruits to their hordes in droves, nothing short of the bombing of Mecca could of done more then what we already did, to actually HELP the fundamentalist muslim cause.
                      Last edited by Vesayen; December 2, 2007, 00:57.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Vesayen
                        ....and while I am on a tangent of incredible incompetance, we did exactly what the leaders of the Islamic fundamentalists wanted. Our actions have sent sympatherizers and new recruits to their hordes in droves, nothing short of the bombing of Mecca could of done more then what we already did, to actually HELP the fundamentalist muslim cause.
                        No kidding. But this was so obvious from the very onset, that one has to at least a little bit cynical. Was it really incompetence?

                        Or is it an out of control military/industrial complex doing precisely that which is in it's best interests?

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                        • #13
                          Anyone could of told Bush in 2001 and some did speak up publicly, that an invasion was EXACTLY what "the bad guys" wanted.

                          How did we know those 7 long years ago this would be the case?

                          1. It was obvious. Really. Nothing rallies support to your more then an apparent threat from foreign sources.

                          2. THEY TOLD US. When someone tells you what they want or what they believe, you can sometimes, really believe them! Hitler told us all exactly what he wanted us to do. Bin Laden and other prominent fundamentalists had SAID in the past that actions by the west in the middle east would give them more support and actually HELP their cause. Our actions also helped destabalize the region and weaken the opposition, i.e. securular governments like Iraq and fundamentalists on the other side of the divide, i.e. the Saudis.

                          I am torn as to why this information was not acted on. If it was obvious to my then-highschool-self(2001) and others in the country, why was it not obvious to our policy makers and leaders?

                          Was it corruption to milk the Iraq and Afghanistan wars for corporate profiteering(little to do with oil in reality) OR incompetance, or both?

                          I find it hard to believe that our leaders could possibly be this incompetant, which means it was all intentional. Perhaps to try to take out Iraq AND Iran? What the administration clearly did not expect is A. How damn hard it would be to pacify Iraq(yes, the word is pacify folks) and B. How damn opposed the American people are to what has happened, there is no way the American people would support a war in Iran.

                          So at the end of the day, my freedoms are stripped away, the media has turned into sniveling cowards, I am less free, an ENORMOUS debt has been made which I will spend my entire life paying off, thousands of Americans are dead in Iraq, many times more maimed for life, America is more hated now then world wide then ever we are LESS safe today then seven years ago and the tax code has been skewered to aid the rich while no one noticed and a whole host of other policy changes, like consumer protection laws which have also been gutted.

                          /rant, /breath
                          Last edited by Vesayen; December 2, 2007, 02:02.

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                          • #14
                            I'm shocked. I think this thread actually got more stupid as it went on.
                            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                            For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                            • #15
                              Not really.

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