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    Retired BG slams Republican Canididates over DADT



    The Youtube Question Link

    And Crooks and Liars coverage of the answers in the debate

    Retired BG took the Republican Candidates to task over the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" Policy. The Comments on the Youtube link are charming, by the way. All the "lol Hillary Handpuppet" comments by *******s who probably never served a day in their lives.

    I happen to disagree with DADT, if we can have females in units on deployment/ships(an believe you me, that's a whole mess of problems) there is no moral/legal reason why open homosexuals should be banned from the military.
    Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.
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    I wonder why he attacked Republicans?

    It was Bill Clinton that enacted the Don't Ask Don't Tell policy.

    If anyone should be ashamed of what that does to gays in the military it should be Democrats and Hillary supporters.

    And in case you are wondering I did serve in the U.S. Army.
    ..there are known ‘knowns’ There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know. ~~Donald Rumsfeld

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    • #3
      Originally posted by uberloz
      I wonder why he attacked Republicans?

      It was Bill Clinton that enacted the Don't Ask Don't Tell policy.
      Clinton did it as a compromise after he ran facefirst into a buzzsaw when he tried to permit openly gay persons serve in the military.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by uberloz
        I wonder why he attacked Republicans?

        It was Bill Clinton that enacted the Don't Ask Don't Tell policy.

        If anyone should be ashamed of what that does to gays in the military it should be Democrats and Hillary supporters.

        And in case you are wondering I did serve in the U.S. Army.
        DADT was enacted as a compromised because Bill Clinton didn't feel like burning up political capital to allow openly gay folks. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs at the fought it tooth and nail...and he has since changed his mind on the policy.
        Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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        • #5
          Two plant filled debates in a row, quite ballsy for CNN. I have no problem with him asking this question, even if he, and everyone else for that matter, knew what the answer would almost certainly be.

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          • #6
            DADT was enacted as a compromised because Bill Clinton didn't feel like burning up political capital to allow openly gay folks.
            Does that mean that he didn't start the policy?
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            • #7
              How interesting.

              The tone seems to have changed.

              Why defend Bill Clinton?

              No one forced his hand.
              ..there are known ‘knowns’ There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know. ~~Donald Rumsfeld

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              • #8
                Originally posted by DinoDoc
                DADT was enacted as a compromised because Bill Clinton didn't feel like burning up political capital to allow openly gay folks.
                Does that mean that he didn't start the policy?
                When the previous policy was "No Gays at all, and we're going to expend resources tracking them down instead of counterintelligence"(Which is how the John Walker spy ring got away with what it did, by the way) it was a step up.
                Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by uberloz
                  How interesting.

                  The tone seems to have changed.

                  Why defend Bill Clinton?

                  No one forced his hand.
                  There are few things I would defend Bill The Traitor on, but DADT is one of them.
                  Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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                  • #10
                    The question was...

                    I wonder why he attacked Republicans?

                    It was Bill Clinton that enacted the Don't Ask Don't Tell policy.
                    If it were solely up to Clinton, we'd have gay openly serving in the military. If was Republican obstructism that forced him to settle for a compromise. That is why Republicans and not Clinton was attacked by the BG.

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                    • #11
                      Ok now that you admit that the Clinton started the policy (and I find it hard to believe that having no gays in the military allowed spies in), why attack Republicans?
                      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                      For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Lonestar


                        When the previous policy was "No Gays at all, and we're going to expend resources tracking them down instead of counterintelligence"(Which is how the John Walker spy ring got away with what it did, by the way) it was a step up.
                        Perhaps that's also why Bill slashed the intelligence budgets?

                        To limit resources being spent "hunting down gays"?

                        ..there are known ‘knowns’ There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know. ~~Donald Rumsfeld

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DinoDoc
                          Ok now that you admit that the Clinton started the policy
                          Oh yeah, I was keeping that a massive secret, denying denying denying.

                          (and I find it hard to believe that having no gays in the military allowed spies in),
                          Why? NCIS had it's head firmly up it's ass on gay witch hunts while letting people like John Walker pass tons of secrets to the Soviets.


                          why attack Republicans?
                          Because they are the most anti-gay party of the two, and everyone knows that none of the Repub candidates(with the possible exception of Ron Paul) are going to make any movement towards Gay Rights. They are the ones to attack and knock down.

                          Perhaps that's also why Bill slashed the intelligence budgets?
                          Bush I started the "Peace Dividend" draw down, Clinton merely followed it. And I don't think Clinton tried to institute rules to allow openly gay servicemen with intelligence resources in mind.
                          Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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                          • #14
                            That first loser claiming that most people in the Military are conservative Christians is full of ****. I say that as someone who spent 9 years in the military.

                            These people are just trying to come up with excuses to remain bigots. It is 100% EXACTLY the same argument the racists made in 1949-1950 as to why blacks and other non-whites shouldn't be allowed in unsegregated units. "It would harm unit cohesion"; making them work with ******s would upset people. Now we have bigots claiming working with "fags" would upset some people as if the problem wasn't the raging evangelical homophobe who was the problem.
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                            • #15
                              Ok now that you admit that the Clinton started the policy (and I find it hard to believe that having no gays in the military allowed spies in), why attack Republicans?

                              This is a really dumb question. All of the Democratic candidates oppose DADT, and all of the Republican candidates support DADT. That Bill Clinton supported it as a compromise policy over a decade ago is basically immaterial to the current debate (you might want to look up Bush's position on the legality of sodomy at roughly the same time - that's the sort of bigotry that forced Clinton to make this compromise).
                              "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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