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It is easier & cheaper to tunnel through air than to tunnel through rock, so underground.
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BART is usually considered heavy rail. Multiple car trains, third rail power, no street operations, etc.Originally posted by SlowwHand
DART is modeled after BART. What a surprise, huh?
Light rail that rocks."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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There are lots of people running the system who think that they should cut down on the escalators and in general should go downscale on the amenities of the system. These are also the folks whose main experience is in running bus systems. The head guy we have running the system is from LA. His whole schtick is that he wants to get rid of the carpet in the train cars. He's lucky he doesn't get run out of town by a suit-and-tie mob.Originally posted by Asher
Are you serious? That's retarded.
Surely you lie!
Last edited by DanS; November 28, 2007, 15:13.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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The Red Line runs near the lake though for its entire run, south and north. The southwest (Ashland) branch of the Green line runs west, which is a considerably more dangerous neighborhood than along the east. The Red Line stations are being heavily renovated also (though after the Green were completed), and has several nice stations now... though the underground ones quickly turn into @#$% unfortunately (Jackson was renovated much more recently than the Garfield/55th Green Line station (right before the two branches split), but looks much worse only a few years later...)Originally posted by GePap
The Red line is the main conduit from the poor southside north. It certainly is an issue of the surrounding neighborhoods in that case. It also runs all day, unlike most of the EL system.
As for the green line, there has been some serious renovation of the stations further south, but the green line does not run as far south as the red.
Certainly ridership is an important element (and significantly more people ride the red line); but I think it's subway related, also. Heck, the Red Line stations that are above ground (like the Garfield one, even pre-renovation) are much nicer than the below ground ones...<Reverend> IRC is just multiplayer notepad.
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As stated, I think it was a suboptimal choice. On the other hand, I would much rather have had aboveground metrorail than no metrorail.Originally posted by Wezil
DanS - That's close enough to see it. This doesn't cause you concerns?I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Well, the Wheaton escalator apparently is a 3 minute ride, not 5 minutes.Attached FilesI came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Originally posted by DanS
There are lots of people running the system who think that they should cut down on the escalators and in general should go downscale on the amenities of the system. These are also the folks whose main experience is in running bus systems.
A very considerable amount of the WMATAs ridership is on the bus system, and a very considerable amount of the metro-rail ridership is bus transfers.
The big problem with the escalotors, is the constant breakdowns, which means lots of step climbing happens in the system (aside from the folks who climb cause the escalotors are slow or crowded) - and the maintenance is costly."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Originally posted by DanS
There are lots of people running the system who think that they should cut down on the escalators and in general should go downscale on the amenities of the system. These are also the folks whose main experience is in running bus systems.
A very considerable amount of the WMATAs ridership is on the bus system, and a very considerable amount of the metro-rail ridership is bus transfers.
The big problem with the escalotors, is the constant breakdowns, which means lots of step climbing happens in the system (aside from the folks who climb cause the escalotors are slow or crowded) - and the maintenance is costly."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Re high bus ridership, that's a deficiency of the metrorail system plan, IMO. You have mentioned the Ga. Avenue corridor that gets spotty service by metrorail, but I would also mention the nearby 16th Street corridor, Wisconsin Avenue/Georgetown, and parts of NE. Instead of thinking about the niftiest way by bus to half-ass service to these areas, the plan should be updated and new lines built.
Re the escalators, that's just a feature of the system design. I get irate when I hear administrators complain about it or try to retrofit their bus-filled visions onto the system design. Escalators are part of the system design, so just run the damn system! Metrorail was never meant to cost the least possible. (That said, I sense that the new type of escalators are much sturdier, break down much less, and require less maintenance.)Last edited by DanS; November 28, 2007, 16:32.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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I missed that on my trip to DC, they should put that in the brochures. I think we have some similar sized escalators to enjoy on the deeper lines, but its not as much fun as the deep stations which rely on lifts, as they have a mother of an emergency staircase for you to climb if youre feeling brave ( russel square, im looking at you)
London has a mix of everything it seems, with predominantly underground in the core leading to overground in the surburbs. Seems like a sensible solution to me.Safer worlds through superior firepowerComment
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Am I going to have to browbeat you, LOTM?
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Am I reading correctly that nobody in this thread has yet mentioned a totally below-ground system?I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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I would prefer it. I don't expect it.
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A quick search shows Montreal and Glasgow as two cities with entirely underground subways."I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
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I'm not sure of many that are TOTALLY underground. I don't remember any parts of Paris' metro going above ground until you got into the RERs. Ditto Barcelona, although I didn't ride that one quite as extensively.Originally posted by DanS
Am I reading correctly that nobody in this thread has yet mentioned a totally below-ground system?"The French caused the war [Persian Gulf war, 1991]" - Ned
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