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Originally posted by OzzyKP
You are the one who thinks we should question the very notion of diversity.
You are the one who thinks we should question the very notion of diversity.
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Diversity occurs naturally to a small extent. Forcing the issue promotes division and racial nepotism....people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty -
The problem, however Cort, is that THEY take pride in them. If you are not one of THEM then you aren't allowed to acknowledge it.
It's like black people calling themselves the N-word, but on a lot subtler level. Or maybe not.Comment
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Ozzy & Cort
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AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTFComment
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I was referring to the pushing of diversity. Institutionalized racial preferences etc...Originally posted by BeBro
Diversity is already there - what other options than to accept it do you have?...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - SnottyComment
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Wrong. Read up Lewontin's fallacy:Originally posted by aneeshm
They usually do, but the intra-racial variation is so much greater than the inter-racial variation that to speak of "racial differences" as if they're key determinants of individual identity is plain incorrect. It is quite possible for a white man to genetically be far closer to a black man than another white, even though the visible characteristics may wildly differ (our innate tendency to exaggerate differences makes the races appear far more different than they would to, say, a Martian geneticist).
...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - SnottyComment
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Diversity shouldn't be pushed, it should be allowed to spread naturally. But those who resist that natural diversity should be pushed.Captain of Team Apolyton - ISDG 2012
When I was younger I thought curfews were silly, but now as the daughter of a young woman, I appreciate them. - RahComment
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I didn't clarify how hard they should be pushed... or into (off of?) what...
Captain of Team Apolyton - ISDG 2012
When I was younger I thought curfews were silly, but now as the daughter of a young woman, I appreciate them. - RahComment
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I agree. Ethnic pride is overrated. It's natural to feel more comfortable with people who belong to your ethnic group, but I don't think it's healthy to promote ethnic group identity. It's a fine line between healthy celebration of culture/ethnicity and racial nationalism.Originally posted by Cort Haus
I disagree that it is taboo to recognise the differences. Official diversity policy tends to encourage some groups (not all) to celebrate their difference, to construct a strong sense of identity, and possibly even make demands based on that identity. This, to me, is very different from a sense of civil equality across the board.
In the US, people are considered Italian-Americans, African-Americans, Irish-Americans, Polish-Americans and so on, and it seems that they are encouraged to take pride in this identity. What though, for the person that has Italian, African, Irish and Polish roots in equal quantities? Presumably they are just Americans, which is fine, but they get no special badge of pride, despite being highly diverse within themselves.
The goal of 'colour-blindness' is a worthy one, but I don't see how it can be advanced while people have these ethnic labels attached to them....people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - SnottyComment
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Pushing ethnic diversity on people who don't want it is authoritarian BS.Originally posted by OzzyKP
Diversity shouldn't be pushed, it should be allowed to spread naturally. But those who resist that natural diversity should be pushed....people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - SnottyComment
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But religious, cultural and historical differences can exist.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Inherent differences don't usually exist.Originally posted by aneeshm
Inherent differences do not go away simply because it is taboo to speak of them.
40+ years of official 'Brotherhood and Unity' in the SFRY, where it was forbidden to talk about the past or speak of the differences didn't make complex, underlying problems go away.
These are people (except the Albanians) who were all southern slavs sharing a similar language, yet had distinct religious, cultural and historical backgrounds.Comment
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Racists who refuse to accept human beings with a different skin tone are the source of authoritarian BS.Originally posted by Caligastia
Pushing ethnic diversity on people who don't want it is authoritarian BS.Captain of Team Apolyton - ISDG 2012
When I was younger I thought curfews were silly, but now as the daughter of a young woman, I appreciate them. - RahComment
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Sure, and they should be discussed openly. I get suspicious however when people take those, and declare them to be "inherent".Originally posted by Cort Haus
But religious, cultural and historical differences can exist.BlahComment
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No. Very few of these people have any power.Originally posted by OzzyKP
Racists who refuse to accept human beings with a different skin tone are the source of authoritarian BS....people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - SnottyComment
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History is full of examples were such people had and in some ways still have power.BlahComment
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