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    An old new; but I don't think I've seen it here.

    Robert Putnam :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Putnam
    Study paints bleak picture of ethnic diversity

    By John Lloyd in London

    Published: October 8 2006 22:08 | Last updated: October 8 2006 22:08

    A bleak picture of the corrosive effects of ethnic diversity has been revealed in research by Harvard University’s Robert Putnam, one of the world’s most influential political scientists.

    His research shows that the more diverse a community is, the less likely its inhabitants are to trust anyone – from their next-door neighbour to the mayor.
    EDITOR’S CHOICE

    This is a contentious finding in the current climate of concern about the benefits of immigration. Professor Putnam told the Financial Times he had delayed publishing his research until he could develop proposals to compensate for the negative effects of diversity, saying it “would have been irresponsible to publish without that”.

    The core message of the research was that, “in the presence of diversity, we hunker down”, he said. “We act like turtles. The effect of diversity is worse than had been imagined. And it’s not just that we don’t trust people who are not like us. In diverse communities, we don’t trust people who do look like us.”

    Prof Putnam found trust was lowest in Los Angeles, “the most diverse human habitation in human history”, but his findings also held for rural South Dakota, where “diversity means inviting Swedes to a Norwegians’ picnic”.

    When the data were adjusted for class, income and other factors, they showed that the more people of different races lived in the same community, the greater the loss of trust. “They don’t trust the local mayor, they don’t trust the local paper, they don’t trust other people and they don’t trust institutions,” said Prof Putnam. “The only thing there’s more of is protest marches and TV watching.”

    British Home Office research has pointed in the same direction and Prof Putnam, now working with social scientists at Manchester University, said other European countries would be likely to have similar trends.

    His 2000 book, Bowling Alone, on the increasing atomisation of contemporary society, made him an academic celebrity. Though some scholars questioned how well its findings applied outside the US, policymakers were impressed and he was invited to speak at Camp David, Downing Street and Buckingham Palace.

    Prof Putnam stressed, however, that immigration materially benefited both the “importing” and “exporting” societies, and that trends “have been socially constructed, and can be socially reconstructed”.

    In an oblique criticism of Jack Straw, leader of the House of Commons, who revealed last week he prefers Muslim women not to wear a full veil, Prof Putnam said: “What we shouldn’t do is to say that they [immigrants] should be more like us. We should construct a new us.”
    bleh

  • #2
    I misread the title as

    "Study paints black picture of ethnic diversity."

    Now that would have been either offensive or entertaining, I'm not sure which.
    "lol internet" ~ AAHZ

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    • #3
      Diversity
      THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
      AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
      AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
      DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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      • #4
        Originally posted by LordShiva
        Diversity
        You, Destroyer of Social Capital!

        is that a part of the great plan of the Indian nation, to corrupt the trust that we have in each other?
        bleh

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        • #5
          Hmmm, can't say this surprises me much. Could it be that all of the benefits of diversity are only beneficial in theory, on paper?

          Not that I'm in favor of kicking out the immigrants, restricting immigration, segregation, or anything of the sort. It's just that I'm sick to death of hearing about the importance of diversity (almost above everything else, sometimes) in education, work, culture, etc., and I'm especially sick of programs being put in place in the interests of political correctness, complete with with all sorts of silly mottos, slogans, and platitudes (I could give you some from my own company, but I won't...) designed to make us all believe in it.

          /rant
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          • #6
            I'm in SoCal and I don't trust this study. Maybe if I was back in Utah I would trust it.

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            • #7
              In the presence of diversity, we learn to be critical, we become less gullible. We learn to hear different aspects of the same story, we develop open mindness.
              We do not 'trust' one-side stories told by mayors/authorities/media, we also want to hear the other side version of the same event.

              OMG, with diversity, people become less subject to manipulation, preconceived opinion and stereotypes. Bad news indeed for wannabe local dictators/opinion manipulators.
              The books that the world calls immoral are the books that show the world its own shame. Oscar Wilde.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by David Floyd
                Hmmm, can't say this surprises me much. Could it be that all of the benefits of diversity are only beneficial in theory, on paper?
                Why take findings about (possible) negative impacts of diversity for fact while being doubtful about (possible) positive impacts mentioned in the same source?

                Dry, I'd say the pure presence of diversity doesn't lead automatically to more open mindness. It could also have the opposite effect, that people are confused, don't want to give up own stereotypes because they provide clear orientations, simple "solutions" etc., which makes them in the end more vulnerable to manipulation and demagogy. I think diversity gives us better chances to come to more open mindness, critical thinking etc. but people need to bring in a minimum of good will and curiosity about the other side for this (which I wouldn't take for granted generally).
                Blah

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                • #9
                  no wonder, because pol sci = racism, just like this guy, who should be fired from Harvard for his message of hate. Why is he allowed to do research based on racist agenda, I mean this is financed by public and private institutions. It would be interested to see how much KKK contributed, I bet it's over one thousand dollars!
                  In da butt.
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                  • #10
                    the corrosive effects of ethnic diversity...
                    Could it be that somebody has an agenda here? Hmm...

                    It seems to me that it's a whole lot harder to stereotype and hate if you interact with other types of people, as opposed to hearing vaguely scary things about them from afar.

                    -Arrian
                    grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                    The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                    • #11
                      Bebro has a good point, of course. Diversity alone doesn't = harmony. That's pretty obvious. If it did, the Israelis and Palestinians wouldn't be killing each other.

                      There's more too it. If you put a bunch of close-minded, scared (and therefore likely hateful), angry, etc. people together things may well go boom. The solution, imperfect as it may be, is education (aka indoctrination for those who don't like what's being taught).

                      -Arrian
                      grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                      The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                      • #12
                        IMO, it's the way diversity is viewed or pinned to society that is the problem not the fact that it exists. If that makes sense.

                        Everyone gets up in arms if Cali or I bring of diversity or racial differences on a genetic level because it is seemingly overtly racist. Now, I'm not going to defend Cali's or my opinion on how we do things, mainly because when I bring stuff up it is only to get a rise out of people. However, it is the fact that it is so easily to troll on this subject that is the point I want to make.

                        We should not only celebrate diversity and recognize that people are different, but we should be accepting of the fact that there are differences. That accepting has never occured. We are so programed as a society to be color blind that we fail to see the difference, and because of that fail to celebrate it or acknowledge it, at least superficially.

                        A color blind world is lame, there is black and white, yellow and red, shades of blue (especially around here). This teaching and thought that has come out of the 60s creates those close-minded and scared people. It creates fear of accusations since we'll be called racists or accused of profiling if the case so happens. We can't say certain words, and those words change every day. Of course I'm not going to trust, I've been taught not to trust! If I say something, do something, or behave a certain way that might be perceived as possibly being racist than I am outcasted.

                        Unable to behave as we want, no matter how innocently, we are forced to be defensive and to draw to others like us.

                        My favorite line from Dot (SNL or Mad TV, can't remember); "Are you black? Does it hurt?"
                        Monkey!!!

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                        • #13
                          Since Montesquieu and his Contact Theory we hold for granted that diversity is ... good or can lead to harmony. (I'm also remembering a study by Robert Gurr saying relatively the same thing than putnam)

                          The main aspect of this study is, diversity have a corrosive effect on social capital, within a group(which is surprising) and between different group.


                          from wiki:
                          Diversity and Trust within Communities

                          In recent years, Putnam has been engaged in a comprehensive study of the relationship between trust within communities and their ethnic diversity. His conclusion based on over 40 cases and 30 000 people within the United States is that, other things being equal, more diversity in a community has a correlation [expressed as a beta equal to 0.04 in a multiple regression analysis (see Putnam, 2007)], to less trust both between and within ethnic groups. Although only a single study, limited to American data, and the Census tract Herfindahl Index of Ethnic Homogeneity only explaining 0.16 % of the variance in trust in neighbours in the regression model presented (Putnam, 2007) it claims to put into question both contact theory and conflict theory in inter-ethnic relations. According to conflict theory, distrust between the ethnic groups will rise with diversity, but not within a group. According to contact theory, distrust will decline as members of different ethnic groups get to know and interact with each other. Putnam describes people of all races, sex and ages as "hunkering down" and going into their shells like a turtle. For example, he did not find any significant difference between 90 year olds and 30 year olds.

                          Low trust with high diversity not only affects ethnic groups, but is also associated with:

                          * Lower confidence in local government, local leaders and the local news media.
                          * Lower political efficacy – that is, confidence in one's own influence.
                          * Lower frequency of registering to vote, but more interest and knowledge about politics and more participation in protest marches and social reform groups.
                          * Less expectation that others will cooperate to solve dilemmas of collective action (e.g., voluntary conservation to ease a water or energy shortage).
                          * Less likelihood of working on a community project.
                          * Less likelihood of giving to charity or volunteering.
                          * Fewer close friends and confidants.
                          * Less happiness and lower perceived quality of life.
                          * More time spent watching television and more agreement that "television is my most important form of entertainment".

                          Putnam published his data set from this study in 2001 [1] [2] and subsequently published the full paper in 2007. [1] [3].

                          Putnam has been criticized for the lag between his initial study and his publication of his article. In 2006, Putnam was quoted in the Financial Times as saying he had delayed publishing the article until he could "develop proposals to compensate for the negative effects of diversity" (quote from John Lloyd of Financial Times) [4]. In 2007, writing in City Journal, John Leo questioned whether this suppression of publication was ethical behavior for a scholar, noting that "Academics aren’t supposed to withhold negative data until they can suggest antidotes to their findings." [5] On the other hand, Putnam did release the data in 2001 and publicized this fact [6]. The proposals that the paper contains are located in a section called "Becoming Comfortable with Diversity" at the end of his article. This section has been criticized for lacking the rigor of the preceding sections. According to Ilana Mercer "Putnam concludes the gloomy facts with a stern pep talk" [7] .
                          Last edited by CrONoS; November 20, 2007, 11:11.
                          bleh

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Arrian


                            Could it be that somebody has an agenda here? Hmm...


                            -Arrian
                            Do you know Robert Putnam? He wrote a lot on Social Capital.

                            Robert Putnam.. is not a conservatives or a reactionary. He waited some years before releasing his study... he wanted to find an optimistic aspect to counterbalance the negativeness of the study. He got criticized by that. People saying that he should not keep any academic research even if the conclusion of the research doesn't fit our own ideological background.
                            bleh

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                            • #15
                              It seems to me that it's a whole lot harder to stereotype and hate if you interact with other types of people, as opposed to hearing vaguely scary things about them from afar.
                              Sometimes it proves your steriotypes correct. Or interaction makes you care about steriotypes that normally didn't concern you.
                              "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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