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    I am not a great author but I began writing 5 years ago. I've tried and stopped writing a dozen different books, none really getting over 30 or so pages... most stopped before 10, except one.

    It was and has tentatively been called 14k. I changed the title easily two dozen times but I kept going back to that title, the first title. I have 94 pages at present, size 12 font, single spaced in MS word. I hope someday to publish it, though I am an amateur writer and know it is likely to never occur. I enjoyed writing it. Do not let my fairly poor spelling and awful grammar on Apolyton fool you, there is a big difference between posting posts here without reading them once and actual writing.

    The book started at one particularly crappy retail job I had in a “big box” store which was always empty due to our vastly superior competition across the street. I started writing on my first day on napkins from the break room and did that for 2 days. The idea really stuck and it fell out of me, I started bringing folded pieces of paper with me to work and writing during idle moments. The store was quite literally always empty so my boss did not know what I was doing, he must of thought I was taking inventory or something along those lines. After my fourth day writing by hand, the idea flushed out of me like a deluge and I wrote 20 pages in one sitting at my computer.

    The premise of my book is this: A man from northern turkey circa 14,000 years ago survives till today, he writes about his experiences in life, how the world has changed, his perspective on it etc, the perspective starts at the beginning of his life but gradually the timeframe jumps around a bit. This is the exact same date as the movie. I set it for 14,000 years ago because that is when the Caspian sea and the black sea may have flooded, which may be the origin of the flood myth. It was also a convenient plot device to wipe out any technological advancement if any societies in northern turkey advanced to say a few generations short of pre-Mesopotamian levels of technology.

    One of the interesting hooks in the book is that human kind advanced socially and technologically faster then any originally thought, no not atlantis, but to a society with advanced organized agriculture 14,000 years ago, something humans did not have then. Part of it is a grand exercise in "what if" history. What if certain circumstances occurred to spur social organization and agricultural development, what would it have looked like to someone who lived through it?

    No magic, no superpowers, no aliens, the protagonist is not the chosen one, for some reason he simply stopped aging and was lucky enough to not die from accidents or disease. No, he is not an angsty bastard either, he is "fairly" normally as you might expect someone who went on his odd journey to be. If anyone has read Time Enough For Love, in some ways he resembles the protagonist from that book, though I did not read that book for the first time till last year. He does not meet famous historic figures anymore then you would expect your average John Q Public to.

    I started writing it when I was perturbed that people thought our ancestors were all animal like savages when in reality, the only big difference between us and them is that we stand on their shoulders and benefit from many, many generations of discovery. A big theme in the book is how the protagonist discovers reason, shown gradually as he begins to analyze the world around him.

    The protagonist describes firsthand how he witnesses the creation of the first large society and what lead to it. He describes firsthand the discovery of copper smelting, domestication of some animals, the plow, irrigation, how religion and social customs change over time. All of this is from the perspective of a person from that time but gradually his analysis becomes more reasoned and rationale and occasionally the protagonist buts in, from his perspective today, commenting about what he and his tribe thought then. I am really proud of how it has turned out, it is the best thing I have ever written.

    I never really planned to leave the time period of 12,000-8,000 B.C., I have no real intention of extending the books time period to the present day, though some of the commentary of the protagonist is clearly written from the present day.


    I even time stamped it in my gmail account a few times, not that I really expected anyone to try to steal it.

    I posted snippets of it on a few amateur author message boards and got positive feedback over the years.

    I doubt that my idea was literally stolen, they must of came to the same idea on their own but GRRRR!

    I doubt I could ever really get it published but if I somehow did, it will appear I ripped off the plot of this damn movie!
    Last edited by Vesayen; November 19, 2007, 11:27.

  • #2
    This has happened with a number of my works in progress as well. My theory is that time travelers from the future take my then famous work into my past and tell other people to write it so that I won't become famous in the future for some reason.
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    • #3
      And it's such an original idea! Unbelievable!
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      • #4
        I have never heard of any other book or movie copying the idea, till now anyway.

        I have read some short stories with similar ideas, though not the same. Numerous short stories exist where a man from that period is "transported" to today, or people from today go back to that period, but really that is very different then my idea.

        Authors from Asimov's generation seem to love that idea.

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        • #5
          They stole my idea for MVP 2: Most Vertical Primate.
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          • #6
            I have read stories, btw, that chronicle immortals through time. The Boat of a Million Years. Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency to some degree. An unfinished short story of mine as well...
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            • #7
              Maybe you could take it as a challenge to tinker with the premise? It sucks, but there's not much else you can do. It sounds like you could use a bit more backbone for the story anyway. Hundreds of pages of descriptions of societal changes is good, but it needs a personal story within it. Mostly you don't want your hero to turn into a passive observer of events, albeit an increasingly rational observer.

              Of course, I never read the thing and am just going by your description. Feel free to ignore me, and don't take any of this personally.
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              • #8
                "Acclaimed Sci-Fi writer Jerome Bixby conceived this story back in the early 1960's. It would come to be his last great work, finally completing it on his deathbed in April of 1998"

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Lorizael
                  I have read stories, btw, that chronicle immortals through time. The Boat of a Million Years. Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency to some degree. An unfinished short story of mine as well...
                  As have I. However most of them have one of the following focus or element:

                  1. Some fantastical mythical/magical past which never occurred

                  2. Going through eras of time in small packages(like highlander), not focusing on any one period, let alone 14,000 years ago.

                  3. A focus on how the protagonist met every important person in history, or IS half the important figures in history

                  4. A focus on how the protagonist witnesses or participated in great events.

                  I especially wanted to avoid 3 and 4 which seemed cliché. “Immortal chronicles” are almost always fantastical. My book is as historically plausible as I could make it, I am a history buff myself and have done a lot of research both on the era and the rise of Mesopotamia.

                  How many books have been written from a first person perspective of the rise of advanced agriculture and advanced social organization?

                  Most think that 14,000 years ago was a boring time not worth writing about, I beg to disagree and think it could be a great basis for a book.








                  Elok, reading more it appears that The Man From Earth focuses on the person today so perhaps my book is not entirely sunk. My book focuses on the protagonists “early” life, the book starts when he is five, he is now 37. I expect the book to last till he is about 400 or so, it will climax with his society being destroyed by the flooding of the Caspian sea, though that ending may chance. The Man From Earth appears to focus on the present day, mine, the past, so perhaps my dreams of publishing fame are not yet doomed.

                  There is a personal story with it. It is NOT simply hundreds of pages of describing societal changes. It is a first person narrative and a true story, where the societal changes play a large roll but the emphasis is on the characters. The protagonist has meaningful and interesting interaction and relationship with the other characters.

                  As any writer can tell you, writing narrative of events is so much easier then writing dialogue and character interaction. A big mistake when I first started writing was actually writing narrative instead of dialogue and character interaction but I eventually realized that I was writing too much narrative, I re-wrote almost everything I had written when I had that realization.

                  Far more then you would think, many, many Americans style themselves amateur authors and try to get fiction they wrote published, they are usually ignored by the publishing industry for the simple reason that most of the submissions are pretty awful.
                  Last edited by Vesayen; November 19, 2007, 11:54.

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                  • #10
                    Ves - if you're interested in that type of story, look into Kage Baker's series (i forget the series name, but it's about Mendoza, and features her name in several titles). Quite interesting, and involves immortals some of whom lived since 14000 years ago, or a bit further even ...
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                    • #11
                      I am very interested in it, I’ve been writing one for five years heh!

                      I’ve been looking for some fresh authors, I’ll pick them up on my way home today.

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                      • #12
                        "Acclaimed Sci-Fi writer Jerome Bixby conceived this story back in the early 1960's"
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Kontiki
                          They stole my idea for MVP 2: Most Vertical Primate.
                          And my idea was stolen by Hail to the Chimp
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Vesayen
                            It is a first person narrative and a true story...
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                            • #15
                              what is time stamp in google?
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