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Teh UN is more than the Security Council and has in fact done some good for the world. It played a large part in the eradication of smallpox for instance.
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Originally posted by Arrian
I don't understand how the UN works, huh? Because I disagree with your version? The UNSC holds the power. The general assembly is mostly for show.
-ArrianRight.The UN, at least at times, provides a forum for the smaller countries, with the powerful countries around at least pretending to listen.
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We seem to have an overall disagreement over the de facto power of the UNSC. If members in UNSC would agree to do something concrete, they'd agree to do it without UN, too. General Assembly and it's sub-committees are where the money is being spent.Comment
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To be fair, Paul's opposition to the income tax is fairly representative of the Republican Party (the most liberal GOP wannabe as far as economic policy - Huckabee, for instance, wants to replace the income tax with a national sales tax, i.e. bat**** crazy). You have to get to his other policies (eliminating the 20th century welfare state, implementing the gold standard, throw ing out the Mexicans, scrapping all trade agreements, etc.) to see more distinctive strands of bat****.
Anyways, Paul's fundraising total is pretty demonstrative of how pathetic the Republican field is right now (and the effectiveness of his viral internet campaign)..."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Watch the first minute of the video later when you're home, he'll answer your question.Originally posted by Arrian
This makes abolishing it (and replacing it with ??)
My point is that all of the things he is proposing could be done (well, if he would have 300 ronpauls in the House and 51 in the Senate) without causing a catastrophy and and none of them are insane or bat**** crazy.Comment
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How much would corporations love Paul?Comment
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Watch the first minute of the video later when you're home, he'll answer your question.
Surely you can summarize the argument.
I suppose it's doable if you eliminate just about every function of the federal government (or tax the **** out of the poor with something like a sales tax), but that too is bat****. We have that income tax to pay for the 20th century..."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Sure it seems bat**** crazy if the only good way to run the country is now in place and there's no other options. Of course, this in itself is bat**** crazy.
Of course THIS is bat**** crazy, but "I'd DOUBLE the Guantamo" is not crazy. It's just the way things get done in the real world, right?
People get wayy to much credit when they get words out of their mouth, like Giuliani. Can you name a single thing he is really on top except 911? No? Even Arnold is a more diverse politician than he is. And guess who is the least of a flip flopper. It's Ron Paul. At least he is consistent. So he has some ideas that seem crazy and that they wouldn't work. But in his case, people actively look for anything so they could feel better just saying he is a nut job and forget about him. Then the other candidates gets the Hitler review, where "well he did build roads and lift the economy for a while". It's totally upside down, the reviews.
All these mofos will be in the pockets of lobbyists, name one candidate that isn't anti-business and still is the least likely to be bought? That in itself shows more character and ability to be a politician than the rest of the scum. Of course we can't have that, now can we?
Elect ANY other candidate and see the government spending not just refusing to stop, but going up, up, up to new records.In da butt.
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Ron Paul seems to be exactly what I want on half the issues, and have a complete opposite position on the other half.
Thats why he won't get elected, he has a platform that is the equivalent to being torn apart by horses tied to your arms and legs."The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.Comment
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Unless they advocate rpeplacing it with the VAT. Then,Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
I consider any politician who advocates getting rid of the income tax as bat**** crazy. Yeah, yeah, I know, they want some utopian government that consists of only a handful of agencies and doesn't have that many people, but they need to join the 20th Century.
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Imran, talking like a true commie. YEees gimme more bureaucracy, it benefits us all yees *drool* more of it! I want some forms, I want people handling forms, I want them faxing forms to each other. Can I have a permit with that burger please? I'm sorry? Oh I have to take a number, but there's no one else here? OK whatever...
Abolishing income tax or not (99.9% likely not even if he was elected), I don't see why people get boners for big government.In da butt.
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sadly most people have trouble imagining a world without government officals giving advice on how to wipe your arse.
"The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.
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VJ, I formed my opinion of Ron Paul based on the crap coming out of his own mouth on the Colbert Report. I knew he was trouble just based on his paranoid we-don't-need-no-gummint-for-nothin' line. This isn't the first time you've shown this pompous attitude, assuming that stupid Americans like me must have got all their opinions from the talking heads on TV news.
Guess what: I don't even watch TV news, unless you count joke shows like the Daily Show and CR (and I often disagree with the opinions of their anchors). I usually skip over politics articles in the paper, unless they're introducing a figure I haven't heard of, and then I generally skim until I reach the direct quotes. If my opinions agree with those of the media and disagree with yours, that's because the media have been covering U.S. politics for decades and you're living on a completely different hemisphere, FFS! You're being an incredible douche here. Sorry, but there's just no other way to say it.Comment
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I've never really understood this argument. If we already exempt the poor from the income tax, why would it be an impossible feat to exempt the poor from a sales tax? All it would take is exempting specific categories of consumer goods, which state sales taxes already do without difficulty.Originally posted by Ramo
(or tax the **** out of the poor with something like a sales tax)Comment
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And state sales tax revenues are fairly piddling. There's a reason why the feds have such a strong role in our society. If you want a straight-up luxury tax, getting income tax-like revenues from that seems nearly impossible.
Unless you make the code impossibly difficult (which raises enforcement issues, among other things), a national sales tax amounts to sharply shifting the tax burden from the rich to those with lower incomes (at the very least, to the middle class), and significantly hiking nearly everyone's tax. It's a crackpot idea."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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VAT with an EITC. Solves your problem perfectly, Ramo.Comment
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