Ron Paul raises $3.5 million in 1 day

[Deity Dude]

I voted for this guy for president when he ran as a Libertarian in 1988.

Every Republican debate he wins the call-in poll and then is dismissed by the media.

When the media does a poll they never mention his name in the questionairre - (its always Guilliani, Romney, McCain, Thompson (even when he wasn't running) and sometime Hucklebee).

In the debates he is asked 1/4 the questions of the "front-runners" and they are usually questions designed to make him look like a whacko.

Well I don't know how many friends I have talked to that have basically said he is thier favorite choice out of both parties but "he doesn't stand a chance"

Well maybe this will finally force the media to give him fair coverage which in turn will convice the elecorate at large that the Citizens CAN ELECT The President and that it isn't some populairty contest decided by the media and the political machines.

His positions:

- AGAINST the war and an interventionist foriegn policy
- AGAINST The Patriot Act
- FOR Personal Privacy and Liberty
- AGAINST the Income Tax with an alternate funding mechansm
- AGAINST out of control spending
- AGAINST Illegal Immigration
- AGAINST "The War on Drugs" (resigned for the Republican party in the 80's over this issue)
- FOR Limited Government
- FOR Stem Cell Research
- FOR Border protection
- FOR American Independence and Sovreignty
- FOR Social Security reform and has a plan to fix
- FOR Home Schooling for parents who don't like their school system
- FOR a unbiased investigation of the events of 9/11
- FOR using the Constitution as the guiding principles of government (and that says it all)

For more info look at his website listed below. But ask yourself a) how many of the issues above do you agree with and b) how many candidates even take a stance on issues. With Ron Paul his record has never changed - he has NEVER voted for anything unconstitutional and has NEVER voted for a tax increase. He has NEVER voted to take away your personal freedoms and has always voted for limited government. I realize he is not everyone's cup of tea but at least with him you know exactly where he stands.

His website http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Articles about his record fundraising (all grassroots) http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1 and http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-t.../post_179.html

edited for spelling errors

[Kuciwalker]

Ron Paul is a whacko.

[Deity Dude]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Ron Paul is a whacko.

And why do you say that?

Are You:

- FOR the war and an interventionist foriegn policy
- FOR The Patriot Act
- AGAINST Personal Privacy and Liberty
- FOR higher Income Taxes without an alternative
- FOR out of control spending
- FOR Illegal Immigration
- FOR "The War on Drugs"
- FOR Big Government
- AGAINST Stem Cell Research
- AGAINST Border protection
- AGAINST American Independence and Sovreignty
- AGAINST Social Security reform
- FOR failed schools and no alternatives for parents
- AGAINST an unbiased investigation of the events of 9/11
- AGAINST using the Constitution as the guiding principles of government

If so - I think you are the whacko

Please don't be like the media and just shut him down because he isn't popular with the media and it is the "intelligent" or "realistic" thing to do.

Tell me which of his viewpoints are whacko. (BTW if you come up with only 2 or 3 out of dozens I wouldn't consider that an overwhelming case)

[Rufus T. Firefly]

I want to see an election between Paul and Kucinich in 2008.

Yep, I'm that bored.

[Deity Dude]

Kuchinich is another one, even though I disagree with him on most issues, that they just refuse to give a chance.

The last debate they asked Clinton about 25 questions and then they ask Kucinich about UFO's. What a joke. They shoudl ask each candidate the same questions and give them the same time to answer. I don't wnat Tim Russert deciding who I should vote for - I want to decide myself.

They purposely try to marginalize the candidates that don't fit thier mold.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Re: Ron Paul raises $3.5 million in 1 day

Actually, what the hell. I'll play.

Originally posted by Deity Dude

His positions:

- AGAINST the war and an interventionist foriegn policy

I'm against the war, but for an interventionist foriegn policy...like most Americans.

- AGAINST The Patriot Act

Ok, that's one for him

- FOR Personal Privacy and Liberty

Now there's a bold stance, sure to distinguish him from his opponent...as long as he runs against Stalin.

- AGAINST the Income Tax with an alternate funding mechansm

So for taxes, just against taxes on income? Yawn. Unless the "alternate funding mechansm" is selling Texas back to Mexico...in which case, he's got my attention.

- AGAINST out of control spending

Ooo, another bold stance, since all other candidates, in both parties, are falling all over themselves to champion out-of-control spending.

- AGAINST Illegal Immigration

Again, unlike everyone else. Doesn't he find it scary, being so brave, and so alone?

- AGAINST "The War on Drugs" (resigned for the Republican party in the 80's over this issue)

Ok, that's two for him.

- FOR Limited Government

Man, the choice between him and Stalin has never been clearer.

- FOR Stem Cell Research

Like the majority of candidates, you mean?

- FOR Border protection

Will his iconoclasism never end?

- FOR American Independence and Sovreignty

Apparently not!

- FOR Social Security reform and has a plan to fix

'cause no one else has that

- FOR Home Schooling for parents who don't like their school system

Wow. You mean this finally might be legalized? Oh, wait...

- FOR a unbiased investigation of the events of 9/11

If it brings Ted Striker back to the OT, I'm for it.

- FOR using the Constitution as the guiding principles of government (and that says it all)

It sure does! Thank heavens the Constitution is a lucid, detailed document requiring no interpretation, and on whose meaning all right thinking people agree!

Ron Paul - Because Strawmen Deserve Representation, Too.

[Kuciwalker]

[Pekka]

deity dude, don't be amazed by the future negative comments about Ron Paul. Usually these guys voted for Dubya and claimed he actually is smart, he just has speaking problems. You know what I mean? Lots of these things are based on emotions, people are carrying flags, it's not like they are going to truly compare issues, they've made up their mind since their daddy told them to be a man and not a *****.

Hey, I watched a bit of the last debate, when Ron Paul started that he is a constitutionalist and believes it's a good idea, he gots tons of boos... "BOOO!!!" "BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!". You know? Those are the fair and balanced Americans. The ones who tell you to get a brain, morans. Of course it doesn't mean a person is like this if they're against Ron Paul, certainly it doesn't mean this, but sometimes it does. Of course he is considered as irrational nut job, probably a hater of the troops, but then again he did serve in an actual war, he was a doctor and so forth. It is quite amazing how people can be lead to the exact opposite feelings, and it IS feelings, when characters are spinned by political spinmeisters.

And to conclude this one and not break a perfect record of Godwin for today, these are the people Goebbels needs and the reason why things like nazis were able to take the power.

[Arrian]

Rufus

-Arrian

[Lorizael]

Re: Re: Ron Paul raises $3.5 million in 1 day

Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
Ron Paul - Because Strawmen Deserve Representation, Too.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Arrian


Rufus

-Arrian

QFT!

[DinoDoc]

- AGAINST Illegal Immigration

Again, unlike everyone else. Doesn't he find it scary, being so brave, and so alone?

Be fair, Rufus. The Dems are pro-illegal immigrant so he would be able to distinguish himself from them at least.

- FOR Limited Government

Man, the choice between him and Stalin has never been clearer.

Hillary?

[Elok]

He's a libertarian McWhackNut. Not as bad as Kucinich (no UFO sightings), but still a mite crazier than I want controlling our nation's nuclear arsenal.

[Kassiopeia]

Bah, that's 3.5 million sure, but in fiat currency!

[RGBVideo]

Originally posted by Deity Dude
And why do you say that?

Because he's somebody who thinks that anyone takes his gutshot prejudices as universal truths just because he bothers to fire them off?

Ooo, another bold stance, since all other candidates, in both parties, are falling all over themselves to champion out-of-control spending.
[..]
Man, the choice between him and Stalin has never been clearer.
[..]
Again, unlike everyone else. Doesn't he find it scary, being so brave, and so alone?
[..]
Will his iconoclasism never end?

In speeches, yes. In action, absolutely not. Based on what the candidates have actually done, he stands pretty alone.

For example, "controlling spending" id est fiscal discipline requires actually cutting specific parts of the federal budget. Everyone is for "controlling spending", but nobody else is for cutting specific parts of the federal budget.

[stem-cell research]
Like the majority of candidates, you mean?

Republicans? no.

He's a libertarian McWhackNut.

It is quite amazing how people can be lead to the exact opposite feelings, and it IS feelings, when characters are spinned by political spinmeisters.

As we can see, yes. Voting is based on a combination of TV shows, character assassination-based advertising, and idle kitchen-table chat with your own social niche. What the candidates themselves talk or do matters jack-****, the main thing is to get a good spinmeißter to paint a correct caricature with $$$.

George W. Bush is a stupid cowboy who sticks to his guns, Al Gore is boring and willing to say and do anything in order to be elected, John Kerry is an intelligent but effeminate flip-flopper. We can already see how the charicatures of '08 are starting to form with the power of well-timed photo-ops, publicity stunts and ad campaigns. Thompson is one of the ol' boys, a common-sense man who wants to limit the role of federal government and spending, Clinton is an ambitious ultra-liberal who can't win. Paul is a wacko, republican version of Kucinich.

This image is substance-free. But it'll be the only thing that matters to these guys, what you call "true Americans". Good luck trying to have a debate about anything what Paul proposes, he's a libertarian McWhackNut so people start arguing whether libertarianism is any good or not (it's already been done, search the last thread about Paul). The more self-pompous the person is about his intelligence and civility, the worse these image-based prejudices are stuck in his mind and the less he questions them.

What the candidates are actually proposing in debates? How have they voted in Congress? What have they done as governors? How qualified are they based on their personal backgrounds, how educated, how good have they succeeded in their careers and businesses? Nobody seems to care. Of course, this problem is far more rampant in America than in Europe.