The US takes another step towards fascism

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Originally posted by BlackCat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Akkari

Ahmed Akkari (b. 1978 in Lebanon)

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In 2001 Ahmad Akkari was sentenced to 40 days in prison for beating an 11-year old schoolboy on 3. November 2000 because the boy had allegedly been bullying Akkari's little sister. The sentence was suspended because Akkari was a first time offender. Akkari, who was studying to be a teacher at the time, was present that day at Muslim private school Lykkeskolen in Aarhus where he was working as an apprentice teacher. According to sources at the school quoted in Ekstra-Bladet, his 11-year-old sister was playing with a boy from her class and the boy accidentally pulled her headscarf off. Akkari sought out the boy, pulled his ear drawing blood, and threw him to the ground kicking him several times.[8][9][10] The female teacher who reported Akkari to the police was later fired after pressure from Muslim parents.[11]

As usual you don't have the facts correct VJ.

No. You are not getting away from this problem simply by laughing it off. Which one of the facts I listed was not correct? Notice how you listened to your subconscious and wrote "your facts". What do you mean, "my facts"? None of those are my facts. They are all copied from a wikipedia article, as I clearly linked. Seems that your subconscious was so disturbed by the reality that you tried to outsource it as "my fact" -- kind of like 'my opinion' which, naturally, I "don't have correct". Now stop and think for a minute. You did? Good. Again, which one of the facts is not correct? What do you dispute from the article, based on what evidence?

One thing is that the reason why he attacked the boy was based on wrong reasons - **** happens.

First you said that there wasn't anything strange or unusual about him, "religious nutcase which uses words but no action" -- nothing to get worried about. Now he might have spent time kicking a 11-year old boy after he beat him down to ground while himself being over 20, but "**** happens". Which one is it? Do we have a problem or do we not?

Another thing is that you blame danish socitey for a private muslim school firing a teacher. If it had been a public school I can guarantee that she wouldn't have been fired.

Let's suppose that this were a Christian school in Denmark. Let's suppose that a Christian teacher would've done to a muslim kid what Akkari did to the 11-year old boy. Let's suppose that there would be no punishment to the teacher, and another, non-Christian teacher who reported it to authorities would be fired because of this. Now can you honestly tell yourself that this particular case would be treated as it is now -- that it would be laughed off and be silenced to death?

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Riesstiu IV
VJ put it in excellent words.

You know, most Americans realize there are a a lot of problems with America ranging from immigration, to education, to our political system, and I myself am past the point in even thinking that I can make a difference. Yet, it still pisses me off to see foreigners **** on America constantly and exaggerate it's problems when they have many similar problems or worse. I'm tired of the constant insults towards Americans and the repetitive attacks against the government. We ****ing get it, you don't like the US government/lifestyle/people.

I don't think for a second that Denmark is a model utopia and neither do I think the same of the US. And I certainly don't believe America is heading toward fascism. Many European nations seem to be plugging their ears and closing their eyes to massive social and immigration problems of their own but they have some damn obsession with reporting on America.

Ehrm, no offense, but VJ as usual messes things up with wrong or partial correct facts.

My reason for joining this thread wasn't because I agree with Thue and his OP wich I consider as prime BS. My reason was that you apparently didn't had a clue about what happens in denmark. Considering that you are a yankiee, that really didn't surprise me much, but your claims was both so hilarious and wrong so I had to answer.

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edit: sorry, you probably posted before you read my reply. if so, ignore the two last paragraphs. I'm sorry, I got a little angry when I read that cop-out of a reply so I wrote my answer before checking out when you wrote yours

Many European nations seem to be plugging their ears and closing their eyes to massive social and immigration problems of their own but they have some damn obsession with reporting on America.

Once you realize that there are massize social problems which the governments are too afraid to face, you also realize why the government-friendly and government-funded media sources are so obsessed with other countries' problems. It's the same reason as why Chavez started his anti-American rhetoric a few years ago -- jingoistic attacks and schadenfreude to foreign problems hide the obvious domestic problems from the public thought, which could cause severe pressure to the popularity of the government.

As the problems are not addressed, they grow worse. This might not be bad for the politicians, but it's very bad to the people who elect them.

But go ahead, stuff your well sculpted nordic face with Wienerbrød, play with your LEGO bricks, and pretend you live in a wonderland of tolerance and progressiveness.

That's not really fair, I know plenty of responsible adults who still play with LEGO bricks. Building complex sites from scratch seems to be a relaxing hobby

Ehrm, no offense, but VJ as usual messes things up with wrong or partial correct facts.

My reason for joining this thread wasn't because I agree with Thue and his OP wich I consider as prime BS. My reason was that you apparently didn't had a clue about what happens in denmark. Considering that you are a yankiee, that really didn't surprise me much, but your claims was both so hilarious and wrong so I had to answer.

That's right, run away from reality by outsourcing it to people who "as usual mess things with wrong facts" and "yankiees". How very brave of you

Again, which one of "my facts" is not correct? There are no "my facts", there is only the quoted Wikipedia article -- what are you disputing from it?

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by VJ

As usual you don't have the facts correct VJ.

No. You are not getting away from this problem simply by laughing it off. Which one of the facts I listed was not correct? Notice how you listened to your subconscious and wrote "your facts". What do you mean, "my facts"? None of those are my facts. They are all copied from a wikipedia article, as I clearly linked. Seems that your subconscious was so disturbed by the reality that you tried to outsource it as "my fact" -- kind of like 'my opinion' which, naturally, I "don't have correct". Now stop and think for a minute. You did? Good. Again, which one of the facts is not correct? What do you dispute from the article, based on what evidence?

No offense VJ, but I think that there is sufficient quotes present to say that I never have said anything about "your facts", just "the facts". You further claim that you have firm proof and documentation through your link/quote from wiki. Well, wow, that just settles it all, doesn't it ? Why don't you check out a variety of danish newspaper sources and read what they say ? Well, I can predict your answer - they are all part of a conspiracy to hide the real truth.

First you said that there wasn't anything strange or unusual about him, "religious nutcase which uses words but no action" -- nothing to get worried about. Now he might have spent time kicking a 11-year old boy after he beat him down to ground while himself being over 20, but "**** happens". Which one is it? Do we have a problem or do we not?

No, no problem - as said in another post - if someone messes with my sister I might do something stupid.

Let's suppose that this were a Christian school in Denmark. Let's suppose that a Christian teacher would've done to a muslim kid what Akkari did to the 11-year old boy. Let's suppose that there would be no punishment to the teacher, and another, non-Christian teacher who reported it to authorities would be fired because of this. Now can you honestly tell yourself that this particular case would be treated as it is now -- that it would be laughed off and be silenced to death?

What is silenced to death ? Danish newspapers are/were queueing up to tell about it, but if those involved won't talk , then they can't do much. Your example would get precicely the same coverage.

[Riesstiu IV]

Originally posted by VJ
That's not really fair, I know plenty of responsible adults who still play with LEGO bricks. Building complex sites from scratch seems to be a relaxing hobby

You're right. I should have never brought LEGO into the debate. I was a great fan of the LEGO castle theme as a child.

@BlackCat - I admit that the way I entered this debate by referring to Denmark is an Islamofascist nation was stupid but I made it more in jest and I did mistake you for the OP.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Riesstiu IV
@BlackCat - I admit that the way I entered this debate by referring to Denmark is an Islamofascist nation was stupid but I made it more in jest and I did mistake you for the OP.

Nah, don't excuse for inane accusations that can heat up the debate

Though, you should check up on danish interior politics - we are far away from islamofascism and probably the european country that handles immigration/islam best through a free, open and often tough public debate.

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". You further claim that you have firm proof and documentation

No, I did not. I am only quoting Wikipedia, something which I have repeatedly said.

Well, wow, that just settles it all, doesn't it ? Why don't you check out a variety of danish newspaper sources and read what they say ? Well, I can predict your answer - they are all part of a conspiracy to hide the real truth.

The first two questions are a switch of goalpost. I never said that any of the facts in the Wikipedia article were my facts or my knowledge, or that they were 100% sure and valid. That was, in fact, my point entirely. The concluding statement is a strawman (I can not answer at all, since your questions are not valid since I did not claim to know the Absolute Truth about the subject) combined with an ad hominem.

No, no problem - as said in another post - if someone messes with my sister I might do something stupid.

So no, you conclude, there is no problem. If your little sister would get a hat taken off her head, you'd fight the boy who accidentally did that on the ground and kick him repeatedly on the ground, your assault resulting in injuries with blood. What a perfectly reasonable position, you no doubt mean it sincerely.

What is silenced to death ?

The case is, you were. Or at least, lamely tried to by laughing it off as insignificant and laughing at the person who brought it up and didn't want to stop talking about it (hint: not me). Since I don't like people trying to intimidate other people to silence, I decided attack BS when I saw it -- your downplay, which was in direct contrast with the Wikipedia article already provided.

Your example would get precicely the same coverage.

We both know you are lying about your doubts.

No offense VJ, but I think that there is sufficient quotes present to say that I never have said anything about "your facts", just "the facts".

You know, I thought you just accidentally wrote it wrong before you edited it out. It could've even been a typo instead of the Freudian slip I suspected it to be. Now you're denying that you ever even done it. The fact that you do a silly little typing mistake before editing it out wasn't really crucial message of mine, but you giving a non-denial denial about it and pretending me to be blatantly lying about it really proves to even the stupidest reader that you are not talking with me, you are talking against me. I added a :rolleyes:-smiley to every point of my post when I felt like I was wasting my time with someone who had no intention on talking (or even thinking?) about the subject honestly.

[Kuciwalker]

It only takes one angry person + a gun shop for life to be dangerous.

Not statistically...

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by VJ
You know, I thought you just accidentally wrote it wrong before you edited it out. It could've even been a typo instead of the Freudian slip I suspected it to be. Now you're denying that you ever even done it. The fact that you do a silly little typing mistake before editing it out wasn't really crucial message of mine, but you giving a non-denial denial about it and pretending me to be blatantly lying about it really proves to even the stupidest reader that you are not talking with me, you are talking against me. I added a :rolleyes:-smiley to every point of my post when I felt like I was wasting my time with someone who had no intention on talking (or even thinking?) about the subject honestly.

Have you ever noticed statements such as :

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Please tell me wich one of my postings that have such one.

[Riesstiu IV]

Originally posted by BlackCat


Nah, don't excuse for inane accusations that can heat up the debate

Though, you should check up on danish interior politics - we are far away from islamofascism and probably the european country that handles immigration/islam best through a free, open and often tough public debate.

That certainly would be impressive for any Western nation these days. I can't say that our own government handles anything through open public debate.

Yet, I wonder who in their right mind would agree to letting these types of people in and let them stay?

Ahmad Abu Laban

On August 21, 1994 Abu Laban was interviewed in Jyllands-Posten following a massacre committed by the Algerian terrorist organisation GIA that led to the murder of among others seven Christian Monks and a number of foreign tourists. Asked if he could condemn the massacre he replied: "Perhaps the tourists are spreading AIDS in Algeria just like the Jews are spreading AIDS in Egypt."

In his Friday sermon immediately following the 9/11 terrorist attacks in the USA, he preached that "[he mourned the victims] with dry tears".

Responding to Theo van Gogh’s murder, his response was publicly to criticise it, and privately in the Muslim community to applaud his death. Not long after, he criticized the European free speech for the issue of the controversial Submission movie of the murdered Dutch film-maker.

When Amina Lawal from Nigeria was condemned to stoning, he refused to condemn the sentencing, considering he is not a judge.

After a gang killing in Copenhagen, Abu Laban proposed to deter any vengeance killing by the payment of a sum of "blood money" amounting to DKR. 200,000 – or the equivalent of 100 camels, according to his calculation, in today’s currency

Interviewed on Danish television he was asked if he respected Osama bin Laden, Abu Laban replied: "[Osama bin Laden] is a businessman and "freedom fighter"

"I call these people rats in holes" was his characterisation of the Danish liberal politician Naser Khader.

In his Friday prayers on 5 April 2002 Abu Laban called on his congregation to offer their lives in a jihad for the Palestinian cause. Outside the mosque buses were waiting to take the congregants to a demonstration at Parliament Square, where they held up signs equating Judaism with Nazism, brandished a gun and burned the Israeli flag.

Mostafa Chendid

Chendid raised considerable public controversy in Denmark when he stated in an interview that Muslim and non-Muslim women alike should wear a veil for their own protection, as he claims that 5%-10% of all men cannot control themselves confronting unveiled women. The veil serves as a signal that women are "not for sale", and thereby protects them against rapes.

[BlackCat]

@ Riesstiu IV : Yeah, not one of the brightest moments, but it was the prevoius government that did that stupid thing (some wussy social democrats )

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Riesstiu IV


That certainly would be impressive for any Western nation these days. I can't say that our own government handles anything through open public debate.

Well, according to swedish gov/media, the debate level in denmark is racist so I guess that we are on the right track.

Seriously, we let people say what they think and bash them accordingly. We actually have a nazi party that is cause of much entertainment when they try to show their face and get beaten by common citizens.

[Riesstiu IV]

Yeah, well everyone has their own Nazi party but we invented Christian Identity. Only us and Canada can claim to have a white supremacist organization that argues the Christian god favors white people and a global racial holy war against Jews and blacks is inevitable.

[BlackCat]

Well, you have a point there - those nutters scares me a lot more than some terrorist organisation that might get acces to a nuke

[Wernazuma III]

Originally posted by Riesstiu IV
Many European nations seem to be plugging their ears and closing their eyes to massive social and immigration problems of their own but they have some damn obsession with reporting on America.

Actually it's not so much the media, at least here. It's more of a private obsession of some to only look across the pond.