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  • The US takes another step towards fascism

    The US have been taking on more and more characteristics of a fascist state lately. Like suspending Habeas corpus, secret prisons, torture, warrentless (and illegal) wiretapping, the "don't tase me" guy, and a government intent on drumming of fear of external enemies in order to scare the US population to support it, instead of serving its population but not scaring it unneccesarily.

    This video makes a lot of good points. She talks about various checkpoints on the way to fascism, events which breaks boundaries of what people would accept from the government. You are obviously not living in a full-fletched fascist state yet, but you have gone too far towards it for my comfort.

    The Bush administration and the republicans seem intent on drumming up fear of external threads like Al Qaeda and Iran, and that the restrictions on liberty are neccesary. But these are minor threads compared to the Soviet Union, and you managed to outlast them without giving up your liberty. The current retoric sounds like the Perpetual war from Nineteen Eighty-Four. In my more paranoid moment I wonder if that is why they haven't captured Osama bin Laden yet... it is a fact that the Bush administration have not focussed on finding bin Laden, after an initial good try.

    Now it seems that another such checkpoint has been reached. Harrassing and limiting the possibilities for international travel for political opponents. Two (non-violent) peace activists were arrested at a non-violent protest, and have been placed on a list of serious criminals. This meant that when they tried to enter Canada they were denied because they were on the list. Not nice.

    From http://www.opednews.com/articles/gen...ntiwar_pro.htm :
    Two well-respected US peace activists, CODEPINK and Global Exchange cofounder Medea Benjamin and retired Colonel and diplomat Ann Wright, were denied entry into Canada On October third. The two women were headed to Toronto to discuss peace and security issues at the invitation of the Toronto Stop the War Coalition. At the Buffalo-Niagara Falls Bridge they were detained, questioned and denied entry.

    "In my case, the border guard pulled up a file showing that I had been arrested at the US Mission to the UN where, on International Women's Day, a group of us had tried to deliver a peace petition signed by 152,000 women around the world," says Benjamin. "For this, the Canadians labeled me a criminal and refused to allow me in the country."


    "The FBI's placing of peace activists on an international criminal database is blatant political intimidation of US citizens opposed to Bush administration policies," says Colonel Wright, who was also Deputy US Ambassador in four countries. "The Canadian government should certainly not accept this FBI database as the criteria for entering the country." Both Wright and Benjamin plan to request their files from the FBI through the Freedom of Information Act and demand that arrests for peaceful, non-violent actions be expunged from international records. "It's outrageous that Canada is turning away peacemakers protesting a war that does not have the support of either US or Canadian citizens," says Benjamin.

    "In the past, Canada has always welcomed peace activists with open arms. This new policy, obviously a creature of the Bush administration, is shocking and we in the US and Canada must insist that it be overturned. Four members of the Canadian Parliament--Peggy Nash, Libby Davies, Paul Dewar and Peter Julian-- expressed outrage that the peace activists were barred from Canada and vow to change this policy.

    Ann Wright told OpEdNews that this was the second time the two Code Pink activists had been turned away from the border, the first event ocurring on August 19th.

    Wright explained, "We decided to go to Canadian border to push the envelope to see if the Canadian Gov would not let us into Canada again until we had been "criminally rehabilitated."

    To be criminally rehabilitated, they would have to do a huge amount of paperwork and state that they were no longer going to commit the "crimes" they were convicted of.

    Wright told OpEdNews "We were told (by the canadian border agents) if we tried to enter Canada again, we would be officially deported from the country, which is "big trouble. 'We've warned you not to come back until we are criminally rehabilitated.'

    Wright asserted, "We will never be criminally rehabilitated since we intend to continue to engage in non-violent peaceful protest of Bush administration policies, particular the war on Iraq and we intend to peacefully and nonviolently protest all of these until they end. They can lead to arrests for civil disobedience, like refusing to move from the fence in front of the whitehouse or standing up and speaking at congressional hearings."

    Wright explained that the Canadians, by their own law, do not allow people in who have been convicted of various kinds of offenses.

    If, when you are asked by a Canadian immigration officer if you have been arrested, they check the FBI database and that's how they found we were listed.

    Wright added, "The fact that the FBI has put us on this list. The National Crime Information Center Computerized Index is a form of political intimidation. The list is supposed to be for felony and serious misdemeanor offenses.

    "We don't qualify-- it's for sex offenders, foreign fugitives, gang violence and terrorist organizations, people who are on parole, a list of eight categories all together.

    "It is very disturbing. We've asked our congressional representatives to investigate this."

    According to Wright, there was almost no coverage of this in the US, except for an AP release. In Canada, Toronto's Globe and Mail and several other newspapers and three Canadian TV stations covered it.



    Rob Kall is executive editor and publisher of OpEdNews.com, President of Futurehealth, Inc, and organizer of several conferences, including StoryCon, the Summit Meeting on the Art, Science and Application of Story and The Winter Brain Meeting on neurofeedback, biofeedback, Optimal Functioning and Positive Psychology. He is a frequent Speaker on Politics, The art, science and power of story, heroes and the hero's journey, Positive Psychology, Stress, Biofeedback and a wide range of subjects. See more of his articles here and, older ones, here.


    BTW, the book Rob's holding in his photo is "HISTORY OF THE REBELLION" volume 3. by Edward, Earl of Clarendon, published 1816, describing the rebellion among the Irish and Scots, around 1656. This was a religious war between the Church of England, Catholics and Presbyterians. The Earl, writing for the Queen, calls the Irish far worse than terrorists.
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  • #2
    Why are you talking about the US when the article is about Canada?
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    • #3
      The US have been taking on more and more characteristics of a fascist state lately. Like suspending Habeas corpus, secret prisons, torture, warrentless (and illegal) wiretapping
      Ok... all worrisome things.

      the "don't tase me" guy


      The Bush administration and the republicans seem intent on drumming up fear of external threads like Al Qaeda and Iran, and that the restrictions on liberty are neccesary. But these are minor threads compared to the Soviet Union, and you managed to outlast them without giving up your liberty.
      I think somebody may need a refresher on US government activity during the height of the Cold War!

      As for the article... a few things jump out at me.

      1. It was nice, liberal Canada that refused entry to these women. Even if it was due to an FBI database of some sort, that basic fact is blithely glossed over and blame is laid on the US. Canada is let off light, and I think we know why.

      2. Obviously the article is from the perspective of the peace activists, and is probably just a bit biased. To wit:

      Wright explained, "We decided to go to Canadian border to push the envelope to see if the Canadian Gov would not let us into Canada again until we had been "criminally rehabilitated."

      To be criminally rehabilitated, they would have to do a huge amount of paperwork and state that they were no longer going to commit the "crimes" they were convicted of.
      Like I said, just a wee bit biased.

      As for their assertions about what the "The National Crime Information Center Computerized Index" is supposed to be for, I can't say. I've never heard of it, and don't know its traditional purpose. Anybody care to chime in on that one?

      -Arrian
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      The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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      • #4
        the "don't tase me" guy
        It was police brutality. In the context of a political debate.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by DinoDoc
          Why are you talking about the US when the article is about Canada?
          It was the US which put them on The List.

          It would be interesting to know what knowledge was communicated through the list, though.
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          • #6
            It was police brutality. In the context of a political debate.
            No, it wasn't - not if it was the incident we discussed at length here at 'poly.

            -Arrian
            grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

            The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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            • #7
              To be honest, I do not feel my life has changed much since the beginning of the so called crisis on American liberties began. I do what I do normally down here in the city of Detroit.

              Concerning all the alarmism towards 'Fascism'.. maybe I need to be the rich, upper-middle class or 'higher' Yuppy type to be affected by all this crap you guys spew. Because in the City-streets? No one gives a flying dung-wad about all this snobbish regurgitation; a lot of folks are just too busy trying to survive on the meager scraps handed down by the greedy higher-ups.

              Fascism? Just be THANKFUL you aren't shot dead on the street for your wallet and coat by some poorman.. such a scenario seeming more plausible.

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              • #8
                It was police brutality. In the context of a political debate.
                No, it really wasn't.
                "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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                • #9
                  maybe I need to be the rich, upper-middle class or 'higher' Yuppy type to really be affected by all this crap you guys spew. Because in the city? No one gives a flying dung wad about all this snobbish regurgitation, and are just too busy trying to survive on the meager scraps handed down by the greedy higher-ups.
                  Ooh, a new wrinkle. We've already got the liberty/fascism angle and now we can add in some class war for spice! This thread has potential.

                  -Arrian
                  grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                  The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Sarxis
                    To be honest, I do not feel my life has changed much since the beginning of the so called crisis on American liberties began. I do what I do normally down here in the city of Detroit.

                    Concerning all the alarmism towards 'Fascism'.. maybe I need to be the rich, upper-middle class or 'higher' Yuppy type to be affected by all this crap you guys spew. Because in the City-streets? No one gives a flying dung-wad about all this snobbish regurgitation; a lot of folks are just too busy trying to survive on the meager scraps handed down by the greedy higher-ups.

                    Fascism? Just be THANKFUL you aren't shot dead on the street for your wallet and coat by some poorman.. such a scenario seeming more plausible.
                    Ah. So as long as you have food, a home, luxuries, etc, you are satisfied. Good for you. As you say, some people just have higher expectations.
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                    • #11
                      While i'm concerned about the US' slow fade towards fascism, fortunately we still have a long way until we're nearly as such as most European nations
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Thue

                        It was police brutality. In the context of a political debate.
                        While I do agree with you that the US isn't the bastion of freedom anymore it was 60 years ago, policy brutality is still somehting else. They are still accountable for what they do in the end.
                        "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by snoopy369
                          While i'm concerned about the US' slow fade towards fascism, fortunately we still have a long way until we're nearly as such as most European nations
                          Well, you have got the war of aggression part pretty much covered already
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                          • #14
                            Four members of the Canadian Parliament--Peggy Nash, Libby Davies, Paul Dewar and Peter Julian-- expressed outrage that the peace activists were barred from Canada and vow to change this policy.




                            I take it the thread starter doesn't know who these people are...? All four are members of the left-wing NDP rump (about 25% of their caucus actually...). This is the virulent anti-US party (even more so than the Libs). It doesn't surprise me they are condemning the US. I would be surprised if they weren't.

                            While you may have a legit issue Thue, your Canadian proponents are nutbars.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by snoopy369
                              While i'm concerned about the US' slow fade towards fascism, fortunately we still have a long way until we're nearly as such as most European nations
                              sadly true
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