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  • #46
    Originally posted by VetLegion


    Stop right there and explain to us:

    1. How is Slovenia a western society? I think not. Slovakia, yes.

    Thanks.
    Form Wikipedia

    That doesn’t really deserve an answer, but I like to teach people new things so lets try with some facts:


    1.Wealth



    While there is no precise definition of the "first" or "rich" world, the World Bank does categorize countries as high, upper, and lower middle, as well as low income. High income countries are thereby defined as countries with a Gross National Income per capita of US$11,116 or more. According to the World Bank, the following 60 countries were categorized as high income economies as of 2007: [1]

    • Andorra • France • Netherlands Antilles (Neth.)
    • Antigua and Barbuda • French Polynesia (France) • New Caledonia
    • Aruba (Neth.) • Germany • New Zealand
    • Australia • Greece • Norway
    • Austria • Greenland (Denmark) • Portugal
    • The Bahamas • Guam (U.S.) • Puerto Rico (U.S.)
    • Bahrain • Hong Kong (China) • Qatar
    • Barbados • Iceland • San Marino
    • Belgium • Ireland • Saudi Arabia
    • Bermuda (U.K.) • Isle of Man • Singapore
    • Brunei Darussalam • Israel • Slovenia
    • Canada • Italy • South Korea
    • Cayman Islands (U.K.) • Japan • Spain
    • Channel Islands (U.K.) • Kuwait • Sweden
    • Cyprus • Liechtenstein • Switzerland
    • Czech Republic • Luxembourg • Trinidad and Tobago
    • Denmark • Macao (China) • United Arab Emirates
    • Estonia • Malta • United Kingdom
    • Faroe Islands (Denmark) • Monaco • United States
    • Finland • Netherlands • Virgin Islands (U.S.)

    That list is rather bloated, lets see who the IMF considers rich...

    IMF advanced economy list

    Countries described as advanced economies by the IMFAccording to the International Monetary Fund, the following 31 countries are classified as "advanced economies": [2]


    • Australia • Iceland • San Marino
    • Austria • Ireland • Singapore
    • Belgium • Israel • Slovenia
    • Canada • Italy • South Korea
    • Cyprus • Japan • Spain
    • Denmark • Luxembourg • Sweden
    • Finland • Netherlands • Switzerland
    • France • New Zealand • Taiwan
    • Germany • Norway • United Kingdom
    • Greece • Portugal • United States
    • Hong Kong
    Last edited by Heraclitus; October 25, 2007, 19:25.
    Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
    The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
    The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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    • #47
      Interesting map, Slovenia is that little spec on the edge of the First world just south of Austria I do however concede that Japan, Taiwan and SK are not western nations in a normal sense and that some nations like Slovakia (which you mentioned) and Croatia (where I think you live) that I consider a part of the west are not on this map.[IMG]



      From the article on Slovenias Economy

      Current situation
      Today, Slovenia is the most prosperous country of transition Europe and is well-poised to join the mainstream of modern industrial economies. It has advanced to the ranks of developed countries. It benefits from a well-educated and productive work force, and its political and economic institutions are vigorous and effective. Its per capita income is now 86% of the EU average. Although Slovenia has taken a cautious, deliberate approach to economic management and reform, with heavy emphasis on achieving consensus before proceeding, its overall record is one of success.

      The current account deficit began in 1998 (-US$147.2 million), deepened in 1999 to -$782.6 million, and improved slightly in 2000 on stronger exports to -$594.2 million. In 2006, Slovenia's economic growth reached 5.7%, annual inflation stood at 2.8% in 2005, and the debt to GDP ratio was well within Maastricht parameters. Due to its macroeconomic stability, favourable foreign debt position, and obvious interest in EU membership, Slovenia consistently receives the highest credit rating of all transition economies.
      Last edited by Heraclitus; October 25, 2007, 19:40.
      Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
      The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
      The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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      • #48
        honestly, were any of us this unbearably enthusiastic when we first joined?
        "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

        "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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        • #49
          2. culture and history (this could get boring so I'm switching to note form)

          -Par of the Western Roman empire, The Frankish empire, The Holy Roman Empire and the Austrian portion of the Austro-Hungarian empire.
          -experienced the reformation with some renaissance influence form Italy, enlightenment, ect. I only not this since some challenge Russia claim to be a western country because it didn’t experience the reformation and the renaissance (with the exception of St. Petersburg).

          EU, Council of Europe and NATO member (not that any of these are exclusively western organizations).

          3.politics (very abbreviated)

          One of the 13 members of the Eurozone.

          Pro-American stance (wich may hurt my argument, but at least I’m truthful and I blame my silly right wing government for not siding with old Europe back in Rumsfeld’s time)
          Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
          The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
          The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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          • #50
            Originally posted by C0ckney
            honestly, were any of us this unbearably enthusiastic when we first joined?
            Yes I'm obnoxius, but I have suppresed nationalistic felleings and just have to show how wrong vidleg is.
            Being under foreigh rule for a few centuries does that to a national character look at Scotland
            Last edited by Heraclitus; October 25, 2007, 19:48.
            Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
            The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
            The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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            • #51
              Originally posted by VetLegion


              Stop right there and explain to us:

              2. How do you explain that you voted for fascist Jelincic in Slovenia's latest elections and he got 25% of the vote?


              Thanks.
              He got 19%, he's not faschist he's the littles coutry's much milder Jean-Marie Le Pen Anyway he didn't make it to the second round which is more than we could say for the French presidential elections a few years ago.

              I do have to apologize since I’ve just been talking in facts not saying my mind as I stated I would earlier, in my last post I'll be a bit subjective.
              Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
              The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
              The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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              • #52
                Originally posted by VetLegion


                Stop right there and explain to us:


                3. Has your Nazi sympatism (which is pretty obvious) led you to read Nietzsche before or after you read Mein Kampf?

                Thanks.

                I don’t know were you are getting any kind of Nazi sympathism from me unless you still blame old N for his sisters anti-Semitism and butchery of Will to Power, I understand that some former communist countries still teach that in schools.

                I haven’t read mein kamf, I’ll get around to it eventually.

                I was introduced to Nietzsche when I heard a few of his quotes in SMAC, I looked him up rather quickly after that, I was about 10. I read “Thus Spoke Zarathustra” and “The gay sciences” two months after Plato's and Aristotle’s works, I think that was in my first year of higschool.

                I hope I answered your question.
                Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
                The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
                The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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                • #53
                  You were more fun when you were speaking in tongues.
                  "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                  "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                  • #54
                    Re: I seek God!

                    Originally posted by Heraclitus
                    I seek God!! I seek God!!! I seek God!!!!
                    Go away, pitiful boring mortal.
                    Gaius Mucius Scaevola Sinistra
                    Japher: "crap, did I just post in this thread?"
                    "Bloody hell, Lefty.....number one in my list of persons I have no intention of annoying, ever." Bugs ****ing Bunny
                    From a 6th grader who readily adpated to internet culture: "Pay attention now, because your opinions suck"

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Heraclitus
                      I was introduced to Nietzsche when I heard a few of his quotes in SMAC, I looked him up rather quickly after that, I was about 10. I read “Thus Spoke Zarathustra” and “The gay sciences” two months after Plato's and Aristotle’s works, I think that was in my first year of higschool.

                      I hope I answered your question.
                      That makes you what, sixteen? Eighteen? I can understand the enthusiasm, then...
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Elok


                        That makes you what, sixteen? Eighteen? I can understand the enthusiasm, then...
                        Nineteen
                        Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
                        The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
                        The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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                        • #57
                          Re: Re: I seek God!

                          Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola
                          Go away, pitiful boring mortal.
                          Epicures was right, if the gods do exist they do not concern themselves with mortals…
                          Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
                          The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
                          The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Wezil
                            You were more fun when you were speaking in tongues.
                            Who isn't?
                            Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
                            The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
                            The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Richelieu
                              I'm here. What do you want now?
                              Why relativity and why quantum uncertainty?
                              Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
                              The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
                              The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Heraclitus
                                I’m if anything a transnationalist this has however due in large part to my humanistic world-view and less with my cultural enviromen.
                                Words are cheap, how about proof?

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