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    Virginia motorists face $2500 fine for Move Over traffic violation about which 71 percent of public is unaware.


    Virginia: Unknown Traffic Violation Carries $2500 Fine
    Virginia motorists face $2500 fine for Move Over traffic violation about which 71 percent of public is unaware.

    Five years ago, the Virginia legislature made it a serious crime to drive past a police officer stopped on the side of the road without changing lanes. As a result, unsuspecting motorists -- including those who are not speeding -- can nonetheless be caught in a speed trap and face a first degree misdemeanor ticket that carries a fine of up to $2500. Despite the significant financial penalty involved, nearly three-quarters of all motorists have never heard of "move over" laws, according to a Virginia State Police news release issued in July.

    Forty states require drivers approaching a police vehicle with flashing lights activated either to make an immediate lane change or to slow down at least 20 MPH under the posted speed limit.

    "If drivers do not move over or slow down, officers can and do write citations," the Virginia State Police statement explained.

    "Our nation's law enforcement professionals put their lives on the line to protect our citizens," said Bill Johnson, executive director of the National Association of Police Organizations. "Slowing down and changing lanes to give our first responders the space they need to stay safe is the least we can do in return. It's what we must do. Move Over, America. It's the law."

    Motorists who are pulled over in a speed trap, however, can find themselves placed in just as much peril as law enforcement (see video of an incident). Likewise, some police agencies reject move over laws as dangerous. In 2005, California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger (R) vetoed similar legislation, citing the objection of the California Highway Patrol.

    "This bill is unnecessary and could result in the unintended consequences of additional roadway hazards," Schwarzenegger said in his veto message. "Specifically, the California Highway Patrol is concerned that this bill's mandate could create chaotic and dangerous situations at crime and collision scenes on the state's freeways."

    Article Excerpt:
    Virginia Code 46.2-921.1
    The driver of any motor vehicle, upon approaching a stationary emergency vehicle, as defined in § 46.2-920, that is displaying a flashing, blinking, or alternating emergency light or lights as provided in §§ 46.2-1022, 46.2-1023, and 46.2-1024, shall (i) on a highway having at least four lanes, at least two of which are intended for traffic proceeding as the approaching vehicle, proceed with caution and, if reasonable, with due regard for safety and traffic conditions, yield the right-of-way by making a lane change into a lane not adjacent to that occupied by the stationary emergency vehicle or (ii) if changing lanes would be unreasonable or unsafe, proceed with due caution and maintain a safe speed for highway conditions.

    Violation of any provision of this section shall constitute a Class 1 misdemeanor. If the violation resulted in damage to property of another person, the court may, in addition, order the suspension of the driver's privilege to operate a motor vehicle for not more than one year. If the violation resulted in injury to another person, the court may, in addition to any other penalty imposed, order the suspension of the driver's privilege to operate a motor vehicle for not more than two years. If the violation resulted in the death of another person, the court may, in addition to any other penalty imposed, order the suspension of the driver's privilege to operate a motor vehicle for two years.

    So I guess when they need to meet their quota, they sit on the side of a highway with their lights off, wait for a car to pass and write them a ticket? That has to be the laziest and most effective speed trap ever.

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    Re: Holy entrapment batman!

    Originally posted by Vesayen
    So I guess when they need to meet their quota, they sit on the side of a highway with their lights off, wait for a car to pass and write them a ticket? That has to be the laziest and most effective speed trap ever.
    Ummm... no.

    Virginia Code 46.2-921.1
    The driver of any motor vehicle, upon approaching a stationary emergency vehicle, as defined in � 46.2-920, that is displaying a flashing, blinking, or alternating emergency light or lights as provided in �� 46.2-1022, 46.2-1023, and 46.2-1024 (...)
    Most states have this now, so it really shouldn't be a surprise to anybody anymore. It was passed in Tennessee after several cops got run over while making traffic stops. They also put up a lot of signs all over the place on the interstates warning of the new law, too...

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    • #3
      Yeah, Virginia's fines are in general ridiculous.
      "The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
      -Joan Robinson

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      • #4
        Do you even read the things you post, Vesayen?
        I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
        For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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        • #5
          I'm curious, when the law was passed did the state make ANY effort to inform the public? If not, perhaps there's a basis for a class action lawsuit (or similar legal suit) against the state for entrapment.
          The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

          The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.

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          • #6
            1. Please look up the definition of "entrapment"

            2. I've always (15 yrs of driving) kept a lane buffer when possible when passing a stopped police car. Hell, I keep a lane buffer when passing any vehicle stopped on the highway. I'm shocked that this is actually a new law. I'm guessing that a similar law was on the books, the legislature just upped the penalty.

            the last thing I want while buzzing by at 75 is hitting some jackass who didn't pull over far enough, or is drunk, or decided to commit suicide by making it look like an accident.

            And its just respectful to cops, there is way too much potentially going on for them to have to worry considerably about some jackass drifting onto the shoulder.

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            • #7
              ignorance is not entrapment.

              That said, it's just common curtesy. I almost always lane shift for vehicles in the emergency lane. Whether it be a broke down vehicle, or a traffic stop. Only time I don't lane change is when it is unsafe to do so. Then I usually slow down.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by asleepathewheel
                1. Please look up the definition of "entrapment"
                Delaware State Courts
                Entrapment: A defense to criminal charges alleging that agents of the government induced a person to commit a crime he or she otherwise would not have committed.

                2. I've always (15 yrs of driving) kept a lane buffer when possible when passing a stopped police car. Hell, I keep a lane buffer when passing any vehicle stopped on the highway. I'm shocked that this is actually a new law. I'm guessing that a similar law was on the books, the legislature just upped the penalty.
                I have never heard of such a thing, I was never taught of such a thing, and if a state fails to inform the public of a new traffic law...

                the last thing I want while buzzing by at 75 is hitting some jackass who didn't pull over far enough, or is drunk, or decided to commit suicide by making it look like an accident.

                And its just respectful to cops, there is way too much potentially going on for them to have to worry considerably about some jackass drifting onto the shoulder.
                That's all well and good, but if the public isn't informed of new laws and regulations...
                The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

                The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.

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                • #9
                  I'm curious, when the law was passed did the state make ANY effort to inform the public? If not, perhaps there's a basis for a class action lawsuit (or similar legal suit) against the state for entrapment.


                  ...

                  No, there is not.

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                  • #10
                    Show me your law degree or shut up, Wesley.
                    The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

                    The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DRoseDARs
                      Show me your law degree or shut up, Wesley.
                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignorantia_juris_non_excusat
                      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                      For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DRoseDARs


                        Delaware State Courts
                        Entrapment: A defense to criminal charges alleging that agents of the government induced a person to commit a crime he or she otherwise would not have committed.
                        Yeah, exactly, this isn't entrapment.

                        Originally posted by DRoseDARs
                        I have never heard of such a thing, I was never taught of such a thing, and if a state fails to inform the public of a new traffic law...
                        I don't even know where to begin with this one.


                        Originally posted by DRoseDARs
                        That's all well and good, but if the public isn't informed of new laws and regulations...
                        This isn't a secret military tribunal here, its a state legislature which votes on laws, passes laws, laws are signed by the governor, and then they are published.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DRoseDARs
                          Show me your law degree or shut up, Wesley.
                          Dude, you consistently make errors that betray a complete ignorance of WTF you're talking about, when it comes to law. It doesn't take a law degree to see how absurd most of the stuff you say is. It's not my fault your ignorance makes me cry.

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                          • #14
                            A Babbage quote is appropriate here:

                            On two occasions I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.

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                            • #15
                              Thanks, but I've gone on-record before as saying ignorance of the law is not a defense, but your attempt to pwn me is admirable.
                              The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

                              The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.

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