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    TRENTON, N.J. - In about two weeks, New Jersey voters will decide whether to eliminate insensitive phrasing in the state Constitution that characterizes people with disabilities as "idiots" and "insane."

    The offensive language, adopted in the Constitution in 1844, is aimed at barring people with limited mental capacity from voting: "No idiot or insane person shall enjoy the right of suffrage."

    At least seven other states _ Arkansas, Iowa, Kentucky, Minnesota, Mississippi, New Mexico and Ohio _ have the words "idiot" or "insane" in their constitutions to define who can vote.

    On Nov. 6, New Jersey voters will decide whether to replace the wording in its Constitution with a phrase explaining how people deemed by a judge "to lack the capacity to understand the act of voting" would be barred from casting ballots. It is the fourth of four statewide ballot questions.

    Advocates for the disabled contend the current language perpetuates myths.

    "The perception is still out there that if you have a disability that you can't fully function, that you can't be a participating member of the community," said Colleen O'Dell-Multer, a Brick resident who has multiple sclerosis and is legally blind. "That perception is totally inaccurate."

    Kerry Walker, a Cinnaminson resident paralyzed in a diving accident, has talked with lawmakers about the need for the change in language.

    "Idiot and insane, as well as being offensive, are inaccurate and should be removed," he said.

    The proposed change was sponsored by Senate President Richard J. Codey, D-Essex, who has advocated for numerous mental health reforms.

    "We can hopefully erase the stigma attached to mental and cognitive disabilities," Codey said. "The fact that this language has remained in our constitution for so long is a disgrace. I'm confident that the people of New Jersey will agree with me."

    Another sponsor, Assemblyman Joseph Cryan, D-Union, called the language "as outdated as it is offensive."

    It's unclear whether the language has been used to prevent anyone from voting.

    In 1976, an appellate court allowed 33 residents of Burlington County developmental center to vote, ruling that living in an institution didn't make someone incapable of casting ballots.

    "A mentally retarded person need not be an `idiot' and a mentally ill person need not be `insane,"' the court opinion stated.

    An appellate court relied on that ruling in 2000 to allow five Trenton Psychiatric Hospital patients to vote.

    The New Jersey proposal hasn't spurred any opposition, and it passed the Assembly 79-0 and the Senate 36-0.

    Still, supporters aren't resting easy, noting New Mexico voters in 2002 rejected a plan to remove "idiots" and "insane persons" from that state's Constitution by a margin of 56 percent to 44 percent.

    "These words do not belong in our constitution," said David Tag of Voorhees. "As a person with a disability, I find them offensive."
    Obviously the law seems to have lax enforcement behind it to begin with.
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    "We can hopefully erase the stigma attached to mental and cognitive disabilities," Codey said. "The fact that this language has remained in our constitution for so long is a disgrace. I'm confident that the people of New Jersey will agree with me."




    There originally wasn't any inherent stigma in the word idiot. Then, people started attaching a stigma to it, so they changed it to mentally retarded. Look how that turned out. Why can't they just accept that there's an inherent stigma against stupid people, whatever you call them.

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      Like I said. It seems that NJ hasn't been enforcing that provision too closely.
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      • #4
        I take it that you two aren't allowed to vote?
        Within weeks they'll be re-opening the shipyards
        And notifying the next of kin
        Once again...

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          I'd like this thread not to be locked Hueij.
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          • #6
            Why would this thread be closed?
            Within weeks they'll be re-opening the shipyards
            And notifying the next of kin
            Once again...

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            • #7
              Because an idiot just posted in it, duh. So please go away.

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              • #8
                I'm confident that the people of New Jersey will agree with me.


                I'm confident that most New Jersey citizens (and most American citizens as well) don't understand the concept of a state constitution and think it was probably Thomas Jefferson who wrote that idiot stuff.
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                • #9
                  Are they going to replace the words?

                  How about "mental midgets"?
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                  • #10
                    Political correctness is for sensitive pansies,

                    Call things what they are. Period.

                    Spec.
                    -Never argue with an idiot; He will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.

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                    • #11
                      Calling things what they are is fine, but idiot and insane aren't definitive enough terms to accurately describe the people New Jersey doesn't want voting. Change the language so that it's more accurate, not less offensive.
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                      • #12
                        Calling things what they are is fine, but idiot and insane aren't definitive enough terms to accurately describe the people New Jersey doesn't want voting. Change the language so that it's more accurate, not less offensive.


                        I don't know about insane, but idiot has a precise definition that is accurate in this particular instance. This is just political correctness.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Kuciwalker
                          Calling things what they are is fine, but idiot and insane aren't definitive enough terms to accurately describe the people New Jersey doesn't want voting. Change the language so that it's more accurate, not less offensive.


                          I don't know about insane, but idiot has a precise definition that is accurate in this particular instance. This is just political correctness.
                          It is? Well, don't I just look like an idiot then.
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                            Originally posted by Lorizael
                            It is? Well, don't I just look like an idiot then.
                            No vote for you then.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Lorizael


                              It is? Well, don't I just look like an idiot then.
                              *blink* *blink*
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