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Turkey should invoke the collective security clause. Sounds like an excellent way to get the rest of Europe to help garriosn Iraq 
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Ooooh. Interesting. Turkey is a member of NATO. Turkey is being attacked by radical Kurds. Turkey could demand that other NATO members come to its aid. 
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During his days, approval of the Turkish parliament for an incursion wasn't even needed.Originally posted by Wezil
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Turkey is not in EuropeOriginally posted by Patroklos
Turkey should invoke the collective security clause. Sounds like an excellent way to get the rest of Europe to help garriosn Iraq
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And what are the chances that they can get the rest of NATO to sign on to that and invoke Article 5?Originally posted by DinoDoc
Except it isn't one. The PKK has been using Kurdistan as a base from which to attack Turkey and we've been turning a blind eye to it.
I'm guessing from slim to none.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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But their NATO obligated allies are.Turkey is not in Europe"The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.Comment
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But Article 5 only applies to attacks in Europe and North America.
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In support of NATO not coming to Turkey's aid:
Despite this early show of solidarity, NATO faced a crisis little more than a year later, when on 10 February 2003, France and Belgium vetoed the procedure of silent approval concerning the timing of protective measures for Turkey in case of a possible war with Iraq. Germany did not use its right to break the procedure but said it supported the veto.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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See above.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
And what are the chances that they can get the rest of NATO to sign on to that and invoke Article 5?Comment
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Your point?Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
And what are the chances that they can get the rest of NATO to sign on to that and invoke Article 5?I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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Turkey's being in NATO doesn't matter if they decide to attack the Kurds in Iraq.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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Turkey is defending in this caseOriginally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Irrelevant. NATO countries are not required to back each other in wars of aggression.
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... unless that brings them into contact with US forces in Iraq.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Turkey's being in NATO doesn't matter if they decide to attack the Kurds in Iraq.Comment
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I don't see how Turkish action can be very effective. If they strike across the border, the PPK can simply retreat more south, only to be back north when Turkey ends the incursion. This can only have the short term effect of calming down the Turkish public, but it can't finish the conflict.
If the only Turkish problem are incursions from Iraq, Turkey should learn from Israel's example and construct a huge concrete wall on its southern border. It would probably stop the infiltration.
If on the other hand the guerillas also have support from parts of the very large Kurdish minority in Turkey (which Ancyrean claimed isn't true, but I'm sceptical) then they can be trained and supplied in Turkey proper and the wall woldn't stop the conflict.
But it would stop it from spilling over the border, which is not bad in itself.Comment
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This is the language of Article 5:
Wow, Turkey is so reamed. Almost all of their country is in Asia. So unless Istambul is attacked, they don't get to call for help.Article 5
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security .
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