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that whining french rocker got stoned and pushed Marie T. downstairs. Tragic, yes. Worthy of a harsh punishment? Dunno.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Europe really is soft on crime.
What do you mean? What did they really have to do? Guilt is presumed in France. The US is the only country I know of where guilt has to be proved. If you don't agree with that system, then let's debate that. Don't act like we just let him go. The prosecuters just couldn't prove he was guilty.Originally posted by Wezil
Well at least the French could bring themselves to convict one of their celebrities. Your nation needs to hush up on this issue.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Europe really is soft on crime.
So you only know about America then?Originally posted by Shrapnel12
The US is the only country I know of where guilt has to be proved.Comment
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Aren't you?Originally posted by Wezil
Please tell me you aren't making that claim based upon this 1X1 comparison?I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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My common sense tells me there are probably other countries like the US, but I don't know of any. So an honest question: What other countries have judicial systems where you are innocent until proven guilty and the prosecution has to show guilt beyond a reasonable doubt?EViiiiiiL!!! - Mermaid ManComment
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I made no claim regarding the toughness of one vs the other (if you quote my sarcasm post I will slap you with a fish).Originally posted by DinoDoc
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Europe really is soft on crime.
Ah, but they did prove he was guilty - to most everyone but that particular jury....Originally posted by Shrapnel12
Don't act like we just let him go. The prosecuters just couldn't prove he was guilty."I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark TwainComment
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Wow. Just wow.Originally posted by Shrapnel12
My common sense tells me there are probably other countries like the US, but I don't know of any. So an honest question: What other countries have judicial systems where you are innocent until proven guilty and the prosecution has to show guilt beyond a reasonable doubt?
Look north.
"I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
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Well, maybe also a bit to the east - there are also a couple or three in europe using that principleOriginally posted by Wezil
Wow. Just wow.
Look north.
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I was keeping it simple to start.Originally posted by BlackCat
Well, maybe also a bit to the east - there are also a couple or three in europe using that principle
"I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Europe really is soft on crime.
There are moments I really doubt whether I would feel remourse if the US got nuked.Originally posted by Shrapnel12
Guilt is presumed in France. The US is the only country I know of where guilt has to be proved.
thankfully those moments pass pretty quick"post reported"Winston, on the barricades for freedom of speech
"I don't like laws all over the world. Doesn't mean I am going to do anything but post about it."Jon Miller
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Originally posted by Wezil
I was keeping it simple to start.
My fault - should have known KISS was nessecary.
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Europe really is soft on crime.
Nah.Originally posted by Shrapnel12
Guilt is presumed in France.
Then try to learn about othersThe US is the only country I know of where guilt has to be proved.
Standard praxis in the EU for example. Could imagine other countries do that too, what about Japan, Australia, NewZealand? I'm pretty sure it is even the guiding principle in many developing countries, now if that's also put in praxis there everywhere is another question.What other countries have judicial systems where you are innocent until proven guilty and the prosecution has to show guilt beyond a reasonable doubt?BlahComment
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Yeah, it's standard in all western countries.
That's one of the most ignorant statements I've ever read on Poly, which is saying a lot.Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
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It's actually in the he Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms of the Council of Europe.
(art. 6.2): "Everyone charged with a criminal offence shall be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law". This convention has been adopted by treaty and is binding on all Council of Europe members.
Currently (and in any foreseeable expansion of the EU) every country member of the European Union is also member to the Council of Europe, so this stands for EU members as a matter of course.Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
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