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    A Dutch Retreat on Speech?

    By Anne Applebaum
    Monday, October 8, 2007; Page A17

    And now we come to what may be a truly fundamental test, maybe even a turning point, for that part of the world generally known as the West.

    The test is this: Are prominent, articulate critics of radical Islam, critics who happen to be citizens of European countries or the United States, entitled to the same free speech rights enjoyed by other citizens of European countries and the United States?

    Legally, of course they are. In practice, they can say what they want -- and then they can be murdered for doing so. That means that Western governments have a special and unusual responsibility to them, as many have long acknowledged. It is no accident that the writer Salman Rushdie, upon whom the Ayatollah Khomeini declared a fatwa on Feb. 14, 1989, is still very much alive. Though the details have not been publicized, it is assumed that Rushdie remains, one way or another, under the protection of the British police and secret services, both in Britain and abroad. This protection is completely uncontroversial -- in June, the queen even gave Rushdie a knighthood-- and as a result the fatwa has not prevented him from speaking, writing, publishing, even divorcing and remarrying several times over the past 18 years.

    The case of Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the Dutch-Somali politician and writer, is different. Hirsi Ali has been under Dutch police protection since 2002, when her public comments about mistreatment of women in the Dutch Muslim community and references to herself as "secular" led to death threats in Holland.

    Though encouraged to remain in the country -- and promised security protection -- by the government then in power, the mood in Holland changed in 2004. That year, a fanatic named Mohammed Bouyeri infamously murdered Theo Van Gogh, the director of a film about the oppression of Muslim women -- and then thrust a knife bearing a note threatening Hirsi Ali, who wrote the film's script, into the victim's chest.

    Dutch society became, and remains, bitterly divided in the wake of the Van Gogh murder. Some of Hirsi Ali's compatriots decided it was time to address the issues of women, Islam and integration head on. The Dutch writer Leon de Winter, a defender of Hirsi Ali, talks openly about his country's failure to integrate Muslim immigrants, attributing the problem to the Dutch "guilt complex": "As soon as we let people from the Third World come here to work in our rich country, we . . . somehow saw them as sacred victims."

    Others simply want Hirsi Ali and her ilk to go away forever, thereby keeping Holland out of the headlines and Amsterdam off terrorists' hit lists. Unlike the British, who have gotten used to the idea that faraway events can affect them, the Dutch, at least in this century, are more insular. That helps explain why, in 2006, the Dutch government tried to revoke Hirsi Ali's citizenship over an old immigration controversy, and why her neighbors went to court that year to have her evicted from her home (they claimed the security threat posed by her presence impinged upon their human rights). But although she did finally move to the United States, the argument continued in her absence. Last week, the Dutch government abruptly cut off her security funding, forcing her to return briefly to Holland.

    The reasons given were financial, but there was clearly more to it. To put it bluntly, many in Holland find her too loud, too public in her condemnation of radical Islam. She doesn't sound conciliatory, in the modern continental fashion. Compare her description of Islam as "brutal, bigoted, fixated on controlling women" with the German judge who, citing the Koran, in January told a Muslim woman trying to obtain a divorce from her violent husband that she should have "expected" her husband to deploy the corporal punishment his religion approves. Hirsi Ali herself says she is often told, in so many words, that she's "brought her problems on herself." Now the Dutch prime minister openly says he wants her to deal with them alone.

    Fortunately, Hirsi Ali is already back in the United States, under professional, full-time, well-resourced and for the moment privately organized protection. But this week, the Dutch parliament is due to debate her status once again. And once again, the Dutch will be confronted with the facts that Hirsi Ali remains a Dutch citizen; that the threat to her life comes at least in part from groups based in Holland; that she lives abroad because the Dutch political situation forced her to; and that when she speaks out, she does so in defense of what she believes to be Dutch values.

    Whether or not the Dutch like it -- and I'm sure most of them don't -- revoking her police protection will send a clear message to the world: that the Dutch are no longer willing to protect their own traditions of free speech. Resources will be found, and she will recover. But will Holland?
    And now we come to what may be a truly fundamental test, maybe even a turning point, for that part of the world generally known as the West.
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  • #2
    "Passivers" just doesn't work
    THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
    AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
    AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
    DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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    • #3
      I thought this was a thread about passive Dutch homosexuals
      I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.

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      • #4
        Indeed, an interesting case.

        What I have gathered so far on the issue at hand, the Dutch government stance is this:

        As long as Hirsi Ali is on Dutch soil, she will receive full and unconditional protection by the national anti-terrorism agencies.

        As long as she is in the US (where she works now), the US should (at least in part) share the burden for her protection.
        The US government cannot provide any security (apparently US law doesn't allow for such a thing), thus Hirsi Ali flew back to Holland last week.

        She is now seeking private funding for her security in the US.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by LordShiva
          "Passivers" just doesn't work
          You could try, I don't know, pacifists.
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          • #6
            But what if they aren't from teh Pacific?
            THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
            AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
            AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
            DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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            • #7
              That helps explain why, in 2006, the Dutch government tried to revoke Hirsi Ali's citizenship over an old immigration controversy (...)


              Wrong. The minister responsible for that back then was a member of the same political party. Someone who shared most of the views of Hirsi Ali and was hard on immigration... But was also strict with the rules and thought it necessary to apply the rules to everyone equally. Hirsi Ali lied about her name when she applied for Dutch citizenship. She's actually called Hirsi Magan.

              The details are a bit mirky, but in the end she kept her citizenship I believe and just decided to leave on her own.

              Last week, the Dutch government abruptly cut off her security funding, forcing her to return briefly to Holland.


              Wrong again. They told her months in advance and even extended the funding several months, making it clear from the start that she should pay for it herself.

              The reasons given were financial, but there was clearly more to it.


              Hardly.

              To put it bluntly, many in Holland find her too loud, too public in her condemnation of radical Islam.


              Then why would we want to get her back over here by cutting the funding? Yes, she is rather uncompromosing in her views, but there are plenty other politicians that have gained seats in the last elections on the same agenda.

              The politicians in the news the most these days are Rita Verdonk and Geert Wilders. Both are more than critical of Islam, and strong on immigration and integration issues.

              They're morons. That's about the extent of it.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by LordShiva
                But what if they aren't from teh Pacific?
                Not from Pacific = Europe = Aggressors.
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