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[Aeson]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Now that I think about it I don't believe that alarms add to the price of a house. No one says "my house has an alarm so I'll add X amount to the price." They ask what they can get for it.

Do you really think "what they can get for it" is independant of the material state of the house?

Having an alarm system can increase the asking price, just as any other value you've put into the house will. (My Aunt is a Realtor who's adding resale value to her own home by making these sorts of "small" improvements... if you'd like to argue another "bad" example. )

In the case of content distributers, anti-piracy measures affect their operational costs, which as a whole they have to take into account when setting their pricing.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Aeson


Do you really think "what they can get for it" is independant of the material state of the house?

Having an alarm system can increase the asking price, just as any other value you've put into the house will. (My Aunt is a Realtor who's adding resale value to her own home by making these sorts of "small" improvements... if you'd like to argue another "bad" example. )

In the case of content distributers, anti-piracy measures affect their operational costs, which as a whole they have to take into account when setting their pricing.

In California the get exactly whatever they can for it. I've heard that in other regions it depends on the actual state of the house. In California though improvements don't usually add to the value of the house.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Aeson


By decreasing cost of living (even if it's just in the entertainment department) you are decreasing the incentive to earn money. That generally comes with a lack of productivity. (Not always, some people are very productive in charitable pursuits or otherwise freely dispersed value creation.)

For instance, I've eliminated most of the "optional" costs from my life. I spend ~$400 a year on "entertainment", which basically boils down to maintaining an upper-mid-range computer system and occassionally buying some games. (Internet access is included in "room and board", which is of course a necessity.) Oh, and sunblock for the beach. Since skin cancer would be more expensive. Especially since I have no health insurance.

I live very meagerly. Most of the (few) clothes I have were bargain rack stuff, and I wear them out before buying new ones to replace them. I have almost no possessions, no debt, no financial obligations.

Because I have reduced almost all the optional cost of living from my life, I can get by without earning much money as well. I just need enough for room and board. Currently I'm earning more than enough for that in about 5 minutes work a day. Though there were of course some much more intensive work in starting it up.

So I'm left with a life where I don't consume much, and what I do produce I can do so at my own pace. I much prefer it to a life where I have lots of "stuff", but of course that will vary from person to person. As such, "stuff" can be a valuable motivator.

I'm not sure what you are talking about, but I'm sure you want to listen to more music or something don't you?

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Kidicious
In California the get exactly whatever they can for it. I've heard that in other regions it depends on the actual state of the house. In California though improvements don't usually add to the value of the house.

You really are on a roll. My Aunt lives in CA. (As do I currently.)

Property values are very high here, so relatively speaking the impact is going to be less. A $500 security system on a $80k house in Utah represents a bigger % of the value than the same security system on the same house in California, as that house could very well cost $600k+ depending on location.

(Though, technically speaking a security system in Utah would probably be worth much less as a feature on a house, at least in most areas. In CA you almost have to have one, so if it already has one, you don't have to spend the money. In Utah we often don't even lock our doors when going out. I've even lived in a house which had no locks on the doors at all.)

When you slap on some nice buzz-words, or more modern/period/whatever's in vogue amenities on a house you can often increase the asking price even more than the cost involved, even here in CA. Selling points are selling points.

(All this is irrelevent though, as in the analogy you don't have a choice... all the "houses" you can buy end up with the "security system". Only the "houses" you steal would come without.)

[Kidlicious]

No that's false. People don't care about that. They care where the house is located, the schools things like that.

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Kidicious
I'm not sure what you are talking about, but I'm sure you want to listen to more music or something don't you?

The point was to illustrate how decreasing the cost of entertainment, you decrease the incentive to work as well.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Aeson


The point was to illustrate how decreasing the cost of entertainment, you decrease the incentive to work as well.

Sometimes. There is a trade off.

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Kidicious
No that's false. People don't care about that. They care where the house is located, the schools things like that.

"It's on fire right now? Sure, I'll pay full price."



There's a reason amenities are listed. And that reason is not just to waste ink. Even the color of the house matters these days. (People are so freaking out-of-touch with reality.) When discussing painting my Aunt's house a couple weeks ago we had this discussion:

"You know a soft orange color or maybe a watermelon would look good with the white trim, and complement the landscaping nicely." - Me

"Anything other than natural/sandy tones makes selling a houses around here more difficult." - Aunt

[Kidlicious]

No. People want the location, the schools things like that. They will paint the house, put in alarms or even extra rooms.

[Aeson]

There may be a very few money-is-no-object types who won't even consider the house at all, just location. And it's a mortal lock those people will end up paying for everything that's included (and even stuff that's not )... with huge premiums... because the more money someone has to throw away, the more you can charge them.

Most people though have the common sense to know that if a house already includes stuff they'll want, that means they won't have to pay to install the stuff they'll want... and thus the "value" of the stuff they want is up for negotiation in the price of the house.

[Provost Harrison]

Funny how the biggest whingers seem to be the "anti-piracy" lot. Of course the majority of these "heinous crimes" are committed by the common man as a means of getting a bit of enjoyment out of life when he doesn't have a lot of money. Proselytising will just antagonise people, just as it gets up my nose, especially when it comes from corporations who would be just as willing to screw you or I out of money. Let us be honest, have you seen the cost of a CD? And how much actually goes to the artist in question? And of course people are going to think that why should they subsidise some huge corporation that just makes money through a stranglehold rather than some service or merit?

Quite frankly, these anti-piracy tune is going to ring completely hollow as long as it is chimed out by utter hypocrites.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Aeson
There may be a very few money-is-no-object types who won't even consider the house at all, just location. And it's a mortal lock those people will end up paying for everything that's included (and even stuff that's not )... with huge premiums... because the more money someone has to throw away, the more you can charge them.

Most people though have the common sense to know that if a house already includes stuff they'll want, that means they won't have to pay to install the stuff they'll want... and thus the "value" of the stuff they want is up for negotiation in the price of the house.

No. The price of fixing it is nothing compared to the price of the house. That's not common sense. That's mental illness to be concerned with insignificant details like that.

[Kidlicious]

The thing about buying a house is that it is never exactly how you want it. Everyone in California fixes a house up after they buy it. They add on rooms, put a pool in whatever. The don't get reimbursed for that because the person who buys it from them wants to fix it up how they want it.

edit: Well pool maybe a little bit.

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Kidicious
The thing about buying a house is that it is never exactly how you want it. Everyone in California fixes a house up after they buy it. They add on rooms, put a pool in whatever. The don't get reimbursed for that because the person who buys it from them wants to fix it up how they want it.

edit: Well pool maybe a little bit.

Go ahead and tear down your house and then sell it if you want, cause obviously nothing about the house actually matters to the price.

(Except the pool. Keep the pool.)

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Kidicious
No. The price of fixing it is nothing compared to the price of the house. That's not common sense. That's mental illness to be concerned with insignificant details like that.

I see now why you need free music, because with the way you advocate throwing money away, you're going to need some help.