Intellectual Property Rights: Piracy FTW :b: :b:

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by asleepathewheel


So you believe all music should be free?

Do you even know what goes into the production of music?

I think Siros articles answer that. Not free, but very cheap.

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Not free, but very cheap.

what price per song/ per cd?

.99 per song still too high?

And the articles don't address any points I have raised-ie the morality of taking something because you don't believe its worth the sticker price.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by asleepathewheel
And the articles don't address any points I have raised-ie the morality of taking something because you don't believe its worth the sticker price.

That's because that's a personal thing for you.

And yes $1 is too high for a song. That's what the article says.

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by Kidicious
And yes $1 is too high for a song. That's what the article says.

So again, how much do you think it should cost?

I've asked you that a number of times, and each time you've evaded it. Why is that?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by asleepathewheel


So again, how much do you think it should cost?

I don't know and I don't care. I already told you what my objective is. That is to enjoy music as much as possible. I don't believe anyone is "hurt" by me listening to music. I think that's a pretty reasonable opinion.

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by Kidicious


I don't know and I don't care. I already told you what my objective is. That is to enjoy music as much as possible. I don't believe anyone is "hurt" by me listening to music. I think that's a pretty reasonable opinion.

You keep saying that you take what you want because the product is overpriced. Its only reasonable that you would then be asked what you think an appropriate price is. If you choose to evade that, then I can only be left to think that you will continue to take what you want regardless of the price, and that any talk of "reasonable prices" is sleight of hand to avoid the truth behind your motives.

Do you also sneak into movie theaters?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by asleepathewheel
You keep saying that you take what you want because the product is overpriced.

I've told you that

1) The price of CDs is solely dependent on demand
2) The price should be the cost of production
3) I don't know what the cost of production is
4) Listening doesn't cost anything

What else should I tell you?

Its only reasonable that you would then be asked what you think an appropriate price is. If you choose to evade that, then I can only be left to think that you will continue to take what you want regardless of the price, and that any talk of "reasonable prices" is sleight of hand to avoid the truth behind your motives.

I said I would buy more CDs if the price were lower. I didn't say that I wouldn't listen to music for free if the price were lower. Maybe someone else did. I continue to state that everyone should be able to listen to all the music they want.

Do you also sneak into movie theaters?

You don't?

[asleepathewheel]

You can't tell me what you think a reasonable price for a new cd is?

Let's get more specific. How much would you pay for the most recently released mp3 that you have?

Why do you keep evading that question?

I said that I prefer to pay 13 or less, but will go up to 15 if I really want it. What is your level? 5$? 8$? Just out of (morbid) curiosity.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by asleepathewheel
You can't tell me what you think a reasonable price for a new cd is?

Let's get more specific. How much would you pay for the most recently released mp3 that you have?

Why do you keep evading that question?

I said that I prefer to pay 13 or less, but will go up to 15 if I really want it. What is your level? 5$? 8$? Just out of (morbid) curiosity.

Doesn't that depend on the CD? I don't know, like 5- 20$. That's how much I would pay. That's not how much I think I should have to pay.

[asleepathewheel]

You win!

[Kidlicious]

WTF?! I never did that before.

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Kidicious
how much I would pay. That's not how much I think I should have to pay.

Aren't those one and the same?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Darius871


Aren't those one and the same?

Did you read it wrong?

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Did you read it wrong?

What I mean is, often times you'll be charged what you're both willing and able to pay. That's how the market works (except when stiff competition drives prices down, but I don't see much of that in music).

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by Proteus_MST
The costs of production for music are more than that.

You would have to take into acccount an hourly wage for the song writer (even if not specified) costs for the musicians who play the title in the studio till recording is complete and of course rent for the studio as well as wages for the studio technicians for the time this special track is recorded and should divide it by the estimated times rthe track will be sold.
this would be a fair minimum price for a single track.

Just like with games software, where you don´t only have the cost for copying the CDs/DVDs but also thousands of man-hours for developers, graphics experts, testers and the like which have to be paid

There's also rehearsal studio costs and the time spent there, and cost of instruments and amps and associated equipment and maintenance, and recording demos of songs (pre-production if you like), and you could even factor in the time for a band to develop its sound over time. Like everything else there may be promotional costs too.

Ultimately though, the value of a song to someone in market terms should be the same as the value of anything ele. That is to say, how much they are prepared to pay for it. If they are not prepared to pay for it, then perhaps it has no value to them at all.

If something is only worth two listens, it is not worth much. If it is worth hundreds of listens, it is clearly worth more - all of this being in the ear of the beholder, of course.

I like to compare music with other forms of entertainment - eating out, pubs, sports, theatre and cinema. In these terms paying around one or two dollars for a song you like and will listen to a lot is a fair price, in my opinion.