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  • Sony BMG says: You're a thief if you listen to your CD music on your iPod

    Amazing, but true.

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    Sony BMG's chief anti-piracy lawyer: "Copying" music you own is "stealing"
    By Eric Bangeman | Published: October 02, 2007 - 09:12PM CT

    Duluth, Minnesota — Testimony today in Capitol Records, et al v. Jammie Thomas quickly and inadvertently turned to the topic of fair use when Jennifer Pariser, the head of litigation for Sony BMG, was called to the stand to testify. Pariser said that file-sharing is extremely damaging to the music industry and that record labels are particularly affected. In doing so, she advocated a view of copyright that would turn many honest people into thieves.

    Pariser noted that music labels make no money on touring, radio, or merchandise, which leaves the company particularly exposed to the negative effects of file-sharing. "It's my personal belief that Sony BMG is half the size now as it was in 2000," she said, thanks to piracy. In Pariser's view, "when people steal, when they take music without compensation, we are harmed."

    Pariser has a very broad definition of "stealing." When questioned by Richard Gabriel, lead counsel for the record labels, Pariser suggested that what millions of music fans do is actually theft. The dirty deed? Ripping your own CDs or downloading songs you already own.

    Gabriel asked if it was wrong for consumers to make copies of music which they have purchased, even just one copy. Pariser replied, "When an individual makes a copy of a song for himself, I suppose we can say he stole a song." Making "a copy" of a purchased song is just "a nice way of saying 'steals just one copy'," she said.

    Countless studies have shown that the majority of music on portable music players like the iPod comes from sources other than download services. For most people, that music is comprised primarily of songs "ripped" from CD collections to MP3 or some other comparable format. Indeed, most portable music players comes with software (like iTunes) which is designed to facilitate the easy ripping of CDs. According to Pariser's view, this is stealing.

    We've actually heard something similar to this view before. As part of the 2006 triennial review of the effectiveness of the DMCA, a number of content-related industries filed a joint reply with the government on the effectiveness of the DMCA and the challenges that lay ahead for copyright. The argument relating to CDs espoused in the joint reply could be summarized: although nothing has prevented consumers from making backups of CDs, this cannot be construed as authorization from the music labels for them to do so. Thus, there has been no authorization of said backups, and the coincidental ability to make backups currently should not be mistaken for fair use.

    Pariser's views appear to be similar, insofar as she clearly suggests that consumers have no right to make backups of the music that they have purchased in CD form or even in download form.

    Ken Fisher contributed to this report.
    I don't get it. Either this lawyer is intentionally lying, or has absolutely no grasp of the purpose of, and justification behind, copyright law.

  • #2
    It's people like her that makes me less likely to buy music... not that there has been that much great music worth buying lately
    This space is empty... or is it?

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    • #3
      Now that is really dumb.

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      • #4
        Why can't people be reasonable about this crap?
        Click here if you're having trouble sleeping.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Cort Haus
          Now that is really dumb.
          I thought you wanted to hang us all for messing up your career as a rock god.
          Only feebs vote.

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          • #6
            Why can't people be reasonable about this crap?
            Click here if you're having trouble sleeping.
            "We confess our little faults to persuade people that we have no large ones." - François de La Rochefoucauld

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            • #7
              Agreed. This is stupid.

              It does not, however, invalidate Cort's points in the other thread. It just means that Sony BMG's lawyer is making an absurd legal argument.

              -Arrian
              grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

              The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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              • #8
                Sony sucks ratdick.
                Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Agathon
                  I thought you wanted to hang us all for messing up your career as a rock god.
                  I said no such thing, as this is a completely different subject. You really are a highly unpleasant and deeply disagreeable poster, as well as being a liar and a troll.

                  People like you make me seriously consider that getting banned for personal attacks would be worth it for the satisfaction of unleashing the torrent of invective that you undoubtedly deserve.

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                  • #10
                    Actually, it's musians like Cort that really have no beef.
                    They want their music circulated and people learning that it exists.
                    Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                    "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                    He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                    • #11
                      Easy there, killer. He ain't worth it.

                      -Arrian
                      grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                      The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                      • #12
                        Reminds me of the reason for CDs having (n ot really functioning) copy protection.

                        According to german (and probably many other countries) law we are allowed to make copies of the music we bought, for example CDs. So the music industry thought about it and inserted measures for copy protection into the CDs.
                        Althoughthis copy protection can easily be circumvented doing so is illegal in most countries. Thus music industry used tricks to turn something previously legal into something illegal (at least for all CDs that have such a copy protection)
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                        • #13
                          I've said this a dozen times. RIAA gets money from every music blank CD that is purchased, which they distribute to artists. The RIAA is comprised of thieves and liars.
                          Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                          "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                          He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by SlowwHand
                            Actually, it's musians like Cort that really have no beef.
                            They want their music circulated and people learning that it exists.
                            The irony is that our album was freely downloadable in its entirety as MP3. The idea was that if people liked it, they could then order a CD, with the full quality audio. We used to give away CDs at gigs too, so we weren't averse to promoting with free 'loss-leaders'. My point was the principle of those who never buy anything as a matter of policy, insisting instead that musicians spend all their lives on the road as T-shirt salesmen. Anyway, that debate was on the other thread.

                            All this is entirely different from the ludicrous idea that you can't copy stuff you've paid for to listen to it on a different medium.

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                            • #15
                              Look at all the advertisments regarding pc's and "sharing with your friends".
                              What's illegal in the strictest sense is distributing for monetary gain. That's illegal, and should be illegal.
                              Sharing is not illegal, and RIAA is going to accidently take someone to court someday that has the facts and will sink their little ship.
                              Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                              "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                              He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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