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Based on the drivel he posts here anyway. 
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Considering the fact that, if you sign a contract with a large music right company (especially GEMA) you only earn real money ifyou´re well known or do classical music, whereas while you´re unknown you only earn pennies (and on top of this loose al your rights on the music you produce), it shouldn´t make such a big difference wether you sign such a contract or give your music away for free.Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
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That is all sophistry. Business software can be pirated as well as games, as well as music. Basically some people are trying to justify their policy of stealing other people's work, and like the burglar they will come up with fallacious justifications.Originally posted by DanS
I don't find the analogy satisfying, mainly because computer software other than games has a different business model.
Anyway, we all have to carve out a living in this world -- to either produce value or make somebody think we produce value. Mostly, I look at this as a rejection of the business model of the gatekeepers to the music, not the musicians themselves.Comment
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Assuming what Proteus says is true, it would seem a better deal to hire a music PR agency directly.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Record companies don't really have anything to do with the principle of not paying for music.Originally posted by Proteus_MST
Considering the fact that, if you sign a contract with a large music right company (especially GEMA) you only earn real money ifyou´re well known or do classical music, whereas while you´re unknown you only earn pennies (and on top of this loose al your rights on the music you produce), it shouldn´t make such a big difference wether you sign such a contract or give your music away for free.
CD's and downloads can exist without record companies. If everyone says "I'm not paying" then the artist will ultimately say "I'm not producing then".Comment
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I cross-edited you. Basically, I'm saying that the gatekeeper's methods aren't effective. As a musician, you can BAM about the broken gate all day long, but that doesn't put bread on the table and besides which it alienates your fans.Originally posted by Cort Haus
That is all sophistry. Business software can be pirated as well as games, as well as music. Basically some people are trying to justify their policy of stealing other people's work, and like the burglar they will come up with fallacious justifications.
I'm confident that downloaded music will find its price in this world. It might be a lot less than is customary, however.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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I don't claim that stealing from corporations is any less bad than stealing from actual artists; corporations are made of people, too.Originally posted by Cort Haus
Invoking the spectre of the big bad record companies is always the easy way out. People who rob stuff from houses justify their actions too. They see themselves as victims of society getting back what they deserve.
My point is not about corporations, its is about artists going unpaid.
I bring out the big bad record companies because I believe it is their fault that artists go unpaid. Record companies care too much about the successful product they know sells well and not enough about the potential artist that might bring something new to the scene.Click here if you're having trouble sleeping.
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Right. And what's the market rate for philosophy ?Originally posted by Kuciwalker
He shouldn't, he's a philosophy professor.Comment
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Not a lot, but far more than I will ever need. Check out the academic salaries in your country.Originally posted by Cort Haus
Right. And what's the market rate for philosophy ?
In fact, you've fallen into my trap. Philosophy, along with other academic subjects is a good example of content creation that is not funded by the market system. It's more efficient to fund academic inquiry this way, since the free flow of ideas would be hampered otherwise.
There's no a priori reason why the music industry should be structured the way it now is. Perhaps an alternative model would work better, but we have corporations bribing the government and threatening computer companies to make sure that we will never know.Only feebs vote.Comment
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Another thing with regard to the bolded part. It doesn't make any sense at all. Basically, the gatekeeper is blackmailing the musician with the obvious truth that the gate is broken. Hard to wrap my head around that one.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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It already has to some extent. I've bought loads of music from Apple's online store, and this hasn't stopped me from spending a fortune on CDs as well. Amazon is now offering even better deals in some cases.Originally posted by DanS
I'm confident that downloaded music will find its price in this world. It might be a lot less than is customary, however.
What's pissing people off is corporations behaving like gatekeepers and not offering content without ridiculous DRM or draconian rules on what you may do with it. Digital distribution doesn't cost that much. Apple is now the third largest music retailer in the USA, and about a third of the new stuff they are offering is online only. Imagine how much money could be made if they halved the price. People would go nuts.Only feebs vote.Comment
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Let me be clear. I have no problem with gatekeepers. We all have tollgates on the value that we produce. In my case, I won't show up to work if I'm not paid twice-monthly. Very effective and inexpensive.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Don't then. Stay home and light up a doob. It will change your perspective on life.Originally posted by DanS
Let me be clear. I have no problem with gatekeepers. We all have tollgates on the value that we produce. In my case, I won't show up to work if I'm not paid twice-monthly. Very effective and inexpensive.
Only feebs vote.Comment
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Without tollgates, we are all beggars. Musicians might find begging to be effective -- they have found it somewhat effective in other eras.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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That's an effective tollgate for me, but not for you. Sorry.Originally posted by Cort Haus
If everyone says "I'm not paying" then the artist will ultimately say "I'm not producing then".I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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