Professional Ranking Of World Universities

[Agathon]

Originally posted by DAVOUT

The better school depends of what you want to do.
Shangaï answers to the question : I want to become a top researcher; what is my best choice?

No it doesn't. The best way to become a top researcher is to do top research, and then you will get poached by one of these places that has a lot of money to throw at it.

Whereas this ranking answers to the question : I want to become a top manager; what is my best choice?

No it doesn't. The sample is not large enough.

[Kontiki]

It's not even the sample size (although that's a huge issue as well) - it's the choice of sample criteria. Is having, say, one CEO in the top 500 more meaningful than having countless CFOs, CIOs, etc. but no CEOs?

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by Agathon


No it doesn't. The best way to become a top researcher is to do top research, and then you will get poached by one of these places that has a lot of money to throw at it.



No it doesn't. The sample is not large enough.

I was trying to find a purpose to those two rankings (Shangaï and Ecole des Mines); I am prepared to listen to the other questions they could answer.

[Wiglaf]

Very dumb methodology. Some of the best educations can be had at schools that don't produce CEOs, or that don't do great research. In fact, a better methodology would be to reward the schools with the fewest CEOs, since most CEOs are douche bags.

This makes sense, because the job of a CEO tends toward the social. The requirements would be better met by the head of a frat or sorority at a state school than some egg-head from Princeton.

Most Princeton grads are very intelligent and go on to do many great things. Most frat boys at state colleges, not so much. This is not to say they never become CEO alumni, just that you're silly (and bitter?) if you think everyone at Princeton is an introverted loser who cannot hold a job outside of academia.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by DAVOUT
Do you mean that the Shangaï ranking has no biases?

Did I say anything about the Shangai ranking? I've never heard of it before the OP. What does it have to do with my post? What does it have to do with whether the ranking you posted is absolutely retarded?

We know that, thank you; the exercise is only to look at the difference between universities regarding their result in this area. But you can believe that the CEOs of the top ten would also be CEOs whatever would have been their university, and the concentration on the top ten would be a random result.

Maybe if you're illiterate, you'd read that into my post.

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker

Originally posted by DAVOUT
Do you mean that the Shangaï ranking has no biases?

Did I say anything about the Shangai ranking? I've never heard of it before the OP. What does it have to do with my post? What does it have to do with whether the ranking you posted is absolutely retarded?

We know that, thank you; the exercise is only to look at the difference between universities regarding their result in this area. But you can believe that the CEOs of the top ten would also be CEOs whatever would have been their university, and the concentration on the top ten would be a random result.

Maybe if you're illiterate, you'd read that into my post.

You have any right not to be interested by rankings. The one I posted was an answer to the ShangaÏ ranking; my answer supposed that point was clear.

Between retardation and illiteracy, my future will be simple.

[Kontiki]

Seriously, though - what's this Shanghai ranking? Is it well known in Europe or something?

[asleepathewheel]

U Wyoming at 15

Does anything else really need to be said about this list?

[Aeson]

CEOs are cowboys?

[Kidlicious]

This is all very stupid. You don't learn how to be a CEO in college. At least not in undergrad. The only class you might take to prepare you for that is strategic management and that's only the very basics. I think the evidence of this is the fact that many CEOs have no higher education.

[Wycoff]

That's the most bizarre ranking that I've ever seen. Gettysburg College ranked above Princeton? Pittsburg State (Pittsburg, Kansas mind you, not Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania) and Grove City College ranked above New York University? Weird.

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by Kontiki
Seriously, though - what's this Shanghai ranking? Is it well known in Europe or something?

http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2007/ranking2007.htm

[DAVOUT]

Kuci
Of course it doesn't, the sample size is miniscule

Kontiki
No it doesn't. The sample is not large enough.

I am under the impression that there is no sample here. The Fortune 500 biggest companies in the world includes the total number of companies in the group of the first 500. Of course any conclusion resulting from this ranking is only relating to companies of this size.

[Wiglaf]

That's the most bizarre ranking that I've ever seen. Gettysburg College ranked above Princeton?

The methodology also heavily favors campuses that have hosted Civil War battles.

[Kontiki]

Originally posted by DAVOUT


I am under the impression that there is no sample here. The Fortune 500 biggest companies in the world includes the total number of companies in the group of the first 500. Of course any conclusion resulting from this ranking is only relating to companies of this size.

No kididng. But they're only looking at a single position in each of the 500 largest companies, and basing the quality of universities on a global scale on a pool of 500 freakin' people. Most universities on that list are there far more by fluke than anything even remotely related to their ability to inculcate top management skills. And there are no doubt many rather good universities not on the list by the same fluke. I mean, if there's a CEO that's the only representative from his school there and he retires next year to be replaced by a guy who is again the only representative from a different university - well, that previous CEO's school just dropped a few hundred positions and the new CEO's just rose equally dramatically. Did the relative qualities of the schools really change to reflect this massive shift?