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  • Dads of Polyton, give me an advice to show appreciation

    .... appreciation for my dad that is.

    I've choked for an hour or so just thinking about the past few days. I moved tons of stuff to my new place far away from here. My dad helped me, but the way it happened made me feel sad for the way I'm a bastard.

    For the past few years, I've been getting closer to my dad, but I see him rarely. Maybe... once a month tops. That's not a lot considering that I live only few hour drive away. But I've been busy, blaablaablaa. It's true, but I could always see him more. So I feel guilty, very guilty right about now. I've felt guilty before but it seems that I haven't since the first time I felt guilty, that... I haven't done anything. I realize now, I realize why I feel so sad and choke up thinking about it. It's because the way he is so selfless and I'm such a selfish *******. I usually ask money, he doesn't ask anything ever and is glad to be able to help me. I think he likes when he can help me, but that implies that he is glad also because he then is in contact with me. This definitely doesn't mean that I contact him for money, don't get the wrong idea, but I think that's partially why he always likes helping. Just like yesterday and today. He did a superman job and I feel miserable.

    I think he wanted to help me also so he can see my new place and thinks well maybe it'll be a long time before he has a reason to visit me again so who knows.. better do it now. He drove 250km to my old place, we got a moving truck and we carried all my stuff there, 3 hours it took. 3 freaking hours even though I Had prepared everything. And he carried more than I did. I was mostly a little ***** who can't carry his own weight. That's cool, but he is getting old, so it's first embarrasing that he did so much but I soon started feeling guilty. I SHOULD be the one running and saying take that light one I'll take the heavy one. And then he did these brilliant quick fixes on the go because my **** didn't work, my plan was totally not going to work (lifting difficult furniture etc), so he was McGyver and took them apart in a matter of 5 minutes, and then when we got to my new place, he put them back together in 10 minutes. I was like wtf, that takes me a day? While I was watching him do it of course, because I'm a little ***** who can't carry his own weight.

    So then he paid for the moving truck, gasoline, food and everything for these couple of days as well. THat was a long penny too. So we drove 650km to the new place, arrived late at night, unpacked, it was 1AM and finally we went to sleep. Back up 5AM, because I had arranged stuff to do the next day because I'm an unrealistic ***** about the time these things take. So we coudl only sleep for 4 hours, and then back 650km, and then he drove back home another 250km. This all within 30 hours. It was a hellish job, a true nightmare. He never complained, not once. Not even those suggestions. We're father-son, I know when he would be frustrated, he doesn't have to say it or act the part. But he wasn't, not once. And he drove the biggert part as well, so I could sleep my weak ass for longer. And it was mostly for the company I think, he just wanted my company and help me and stuff. And he paid for it as well.

    Am I grateful? YESSSSS!!!! But I'm mostly sad. I'm not happy, I'm sad, because I'm an ant and I can't do the same back for my old man. This is just one example in the series of superman vs. ant.

    I need to do something about it. I need to not feel guilty and sad, which is hedonistic in a way. Here I am, trying to sneak around the fact that I've been an ant adn not feel bad about it, so that's another bastard move from me. But I really want to do something that.... I can really show how much I've appreciated all this stuff, especially for the last couple of years. He doesn't take my money, not that I have any. He's not rich, but money offerings won't be good. We're not huggy touchy feely, it's out of the realm of my culture's father-son relationships, but i want to show my feelings in a way that he sees how much I appreciate everything.

    So Dads of Polyton, any suggestions? He doesn't want to travel a lot so ... getting him a vacation isnt' something he'd be into. I Knwo this sounds crazy, but the best thign I could do for him is to finally hook up with someone and get serious and get a baby. So he could see his grandchild(ren). He isn't going to get younger, and while I'm taking plenty of time to study and mess around and not do things like normal people, that's something I think he'd really just like to see. But that's not a reason to get a baby so... but I'll start to figure out and change my mentality into more "it should happen sooner than later" instead of "career first".

    But what else is there? SOmething more immidiate? What could I do? I know he is proud of me and I know he is hyped that I get to do my dissertation, but .... I need to be more active. I need to show the full extent of my appreciation somehow. It's so big that I choke up just thinking about the selfless him vs. the selfish me. And I don't choke for none of the rest of you mofos, or all the hungry peopel in the world.
    In da butt.
    "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
    THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
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  • #2
    Just beat up this punk and tell him he should be glad you didn't shot him in the face.
    Blah

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    • #3
      Send him a pack of Omaha Steaks...

      Or, if your consulting job makes you travel maybe take a long weekend at the end or beginning of the job when they send you somewhere exotic and invite your dad to come explore the town with you... pay for his ticket.

      He just wants to fill included.
      Monkey!!!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by BeBro
        Just beat up this punk and tell him he should be glad you didn't shot him in the face.


        Pretty good. Sure there's no relation?

        Pekka,

        Talk to him man.
        I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
        - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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        • #5
          Yeah, those are the things to do once the opportunity arises and they should come but I'd like to do something asap.

          I just called him, basically wanted to know if he got back home safely, we had a tough 30 hours so we were both very tired and he had to keep on driving so... I asked about something else but it's a code to check up and see if everything went OK.

          Anyway, I need to do something feasible that can be done soon. It's not like I can pay him back by doing one thing, so I figure I'll do something nice soon, and then the bigger things as it becomes viable (= that they're feasible).

          One thing that has been my goal for few years and still continues to be is to score sooner than later... so when the time comes, he gets the best treatment. He doesn't have a lot of money, so I need to be able to pay all those bills, get him to those nicer places. Also when he gets old enough so that I have to put him somewhere, I need to pay for that stuff. OR better yet would be if I could take him in, but that requires that I already have a family and a house (because I'll get a house when I get a family, and without a house, there's nowhere I can take him in) and we'll take care of him. Very unorthodox in here agian, but I want to do that. It's the least, absolute least I can do. It's a dream of a kind, to have a nice house, then grandchild(ren) and then we take my dad in and let him roam freely and play with the kids and spend his time doing that. I bet that's his dream as well, he'd never say no and only would say so to be polite but we don't take no for an answer.

          But that'll take time. THat's at least 5 years away from now, so now I should focus on doing the feasible things. Because if something were to happen and I never got around to do any of the nice things, man.... I could never forgive myself.

          BEsides, I've always gotten the best and always gotten everythign I asked for. So if I can't provide back when the time comes, it'll be a personal failure and the wrong kind!
          In da butt.
          "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
          THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
          "God is dead" - Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" - God.

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          • #6
            Give him company. Sounds like that's what he wants most. Invite him and spend some time with him... see the town, go fishing, go to a game of football, whatever your old man would like.

            Or secretly wreak his house so you can then help him move and rebuild stuff
            Solver, WePlayCiv Co-Administrator
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            • #7
              im a dad - can someone summarize this?
              "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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              • #8
                Part of this guilty feeling is the rise in social status, basically knowing that he had to start working hard from a very young age and I could just surf through. Knowing all the hard work, physically demanding and then realizing he never ever complained and then comparing that to myself... wow.

                So I also feel sorry for him in a way, he had to work hard just to be able to maintain a kind of working class level, and I just mess around and fiddle and never had to do any of that stuff. So when you devote much of your life just to provide well, get the things I need and want, some of it totally excess, well a lot of it even, because I told him I really needed it for *insert an excuse here*, it just makes you think that maybe it's my time to pay back in some other way than existing.
                In da butt.
                "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
                THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
                "God is dead" - Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" - God.

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                • #9
                  Here you go Pekka. I want my son to always forgive me for everything I've done wrong, just like he does now when he is eight.
                  I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                  - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Pekka
                    One thing that has been my goal for few years and still continues to be is to score sooner than later... so when the time comes, he gets the best treatment. He doesn't have a lot of money, so I need to be able to pay all those bills, get him to those nicer places. Also when he gets old enough so that I have to put him somewhere, I need to pay for that stuff. OR better yet would be if I could take him in, but that requires that I already have a family and a house (because I'll get a house when I get a family, and without a house, there's nowhere I can take him in) and we'll take care of him. Very unorthodox in here agian, but I want to do that. It's the least, absolute least I can do. It's a dream of a kind, to have a nice house, then grandchild(ren) and then we take my dad in and let him roam freely and play with the kids and spend his time doing that. I bet that's his dream as well, he'd never say no and only would say so to be polite but we don't take no for an answer.
                    I love the way your imagination works: "...let him roam freely...".

                    Sorry, more seriously: Don't forget that if you have a family, there'll be still your wife to be convinced. I know that it'd be quite hard to get my (soon-to-be-) wife to take care of my mother when time comes, and it'd be mostly impossible to convince her to take care of my dad, with whom she doesn't have much contact.

                    I'm/was in a somewhat similar situation as you are:
                    I see my dad maybe once every 3 weeks, although he lives in the same town as I do! And for the last years I struggled to show that I'm grateful for all the support I received. My father is a less generous person than yours, but that's compensated by a higher degree of felt guilt on my side for how I basically ignored him after my parents split (I talked to him when he called, but no call from my side, no mail, etc.). Being an introverted person, he never complained about it, but it must have hurt.
                    After my first son was born, I felt it was time to do something, and I found a working solution in carving out maybe one day a month, joining my father in some of his favorite activities, like alpinism, gardening, collecting mushrooms, etc.
                    I'm sure, some more shared activities could relieve your felt guilt too.
                    "The world is too small in Vorarlberg". Austrian ex-vice-chancellor Hubert Gorbach in a letter to Alistar [sic] Darling, looking for a job...
                    "Let me break this down for you, fresh from algebra II. A 95% chance to win 5 times means a (95*5) chance to win = 475% chance to win." Wiglaf, Court jester or hayseed, you judge.

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                    • #11
                      Collecting mushrooms
                      I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                      - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                      • #12
                        buy him a beer.
                        I wasn't born with enough middle fingers.
                        [Brandon Roderick? You mean Brock's Toadie?][Hanged from Yggdrasil]

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                        • #13
                          I would offer advice along the lines of what Solver suggested, spend some time.

                          You dont have to shell out bucks, that could possibly be misconstrued as trying to "buy" his time or sort of thing.

                          Just the time, maybe go for a ride, what are his interests, ocean, mountains, animals, fishing, movies, shopping, whatever, take time to get to know him on his level Pekka.

                          For real, you dont need a day planner with events "A-g" on this date and such, just arrange a time, be considerate of his schedule, ask him when he is free to spend some time with you and if he asks for what, tell him you guys can decide together

                          Trust me it works, I am a former B@$T@RD who got kicked out of my house at 15.5 yrs old and now we actually talk man to man, and sometimes, he repeats same story over which is fine by me, I love to hear him talk, time is short, too short, for one day he will be beside my Mom and in Heaven, so just go spend time, and enjoy yourselves together

                          Gramps
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                          • #14
                            Yep. Time with you is all he wants. I guarantee it.
                            Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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                            • #15
                              Pekka one of the paradoxes of life is that it is more blessed (and sometimes more difficult) to receive than to give.

                              Your dad loved helping you.

                              Be glad for him that he had the chance.

                              Look for every opportunity to allow him to help you more.

                              Far from being guilty - take pride in that.

                              Maybe you will get a chance to help your dad back, maybe you won't (you probably will). But that is in the lap of the Gods and is in no way a duty.

                              Meanwhile accepting help from your dad is a duty. And you are managing to fulfil it. Be proud.
                              Last edited by East Street Trader; September 27, 2007, 07:43.

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