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    UAW Calls National Strike Against GM
    Monday September 24, 1:31 pm ET
    By Dee-Ann Durbin and Tom Krisher, AP Auto Writers
    UAW Launches National Strike Against General Motors; Union Head Says "One-Sided" Talks Fail

    DETROIT (AP) -- Thousands of United Auto Workers walked off the job at General Motors plants around the country Monday in the first nationwide strike against the U.S. auto industry since 1976.
    UAW President Ron Gettelfinger said that job security was the top unresolved issue, adding that the talks did not stumble over a groundbreaking provision establishing a UAW-managed trust that will administer GM's retiree health care obligations. Gettelfinger complained about "one-sided negotiations."

    "It was going to be General Motors' way at the expense of the workers," Gettelfinger said at a news conference. "The company walked right up to the deadline like they really didn't care."

    Gettelfinger added that the union and GM's management would return to the table Monday.

    Workers walked off the job and began picketing Monday outside GM plants after the late morning UAW strike deadline passed. The UAW has 73,000 members who work for GM at 82 U.S. facilities, including assembly and parts plants and warehouses.

    General Motors Corp. had been pushing hard in the negotiations for the health care trust -- known as a Voluntary Employees Beneficiary Association, or VEBA -- so it could move $51 billion in unfunded retiree health costs off its books. GM has nearly 339,000 retirees and surviving spouses.

    "This strike is not about the VEBA in any way shape or form," Gettelfinger said at an afternoon news conference in Detroit.

    "The No. 1 issue here is job security," Gettelfinger later said, adding that the union also was fighting to preserve workers' benefits.

    GM spokesman Dan Flores said the automaker was disappointed in the UAW's decision to call a national strike.

    "The bargaining involves complex, difficult issues that affect the job security of our U.S. work force and the long-term viability of the company," he said. "We remain fully committed to working with the UAW to develop solutions together to address the competitive challenges facing GM."

    It remained to be seen what effect the strike would have on the automaker and consumers. The company has sufficient stocks of just about every product to withstand a short strike, according to Tom Libby, senior director of industry analysis for J.D. Power and Associates.

    Worker Anita Ahrens burst into tears as hundreds of United Auto Workers streamed out of a GM plant in Janesville, Wis.

    "Oh my God, here they come," said Ahrens, 39. "This is unreal."

    Ahrens has seven years at the plant, where she works nights installing speakers in sport utility vehicles. She waited outside the building Monday for her husband, Ron Ahrens, who has worked there for 21 years.

    The couple has three children, including a college freshman, and Ahrens worried about how they would pay their bills.

    "This is horrible, but we're die-hard union, so we have to," Ahrens said. "We got a mortgage, two car payments and tons of freaking bills."

    Gettelfinger said he believed the UAW's leadership owed "our membership an answer as to why they're out there."

    "This is as serious as anything that any of us do," he said. "There's not one person on this stage ... that wanted to see these negotiations end in a strike. Who wins in a strike? But again, you can be pushed off a cliff, and that's what we feel like happened here."

    Despite the strike, GM stock rose a penny to $34.95 in midday trading.
    Isn't pretty much everyone involved in this mess screwed?

    The top-level guys will be fine, of course, as they always are with their lovely parachutes (hence the "pretty much everyone" qualifier).

    I'm no expert on such things, but I do know that GM makes crappy cars that aren't cheap enough to justify their crappiness, and is losing money hand over fist (except for the financing side of the business).

    Job security? What ****ing job security? When your company is getting its ass kicked 6 days a week and twice on Sunday?

    -Arrian
    Last edited by Arrian; September 24, 2007, 14:30.
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  • #2
    I assume that making the company go bankrupt wouldn't be too good for job security .
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    • #3
      I heard productivity has increased 400% since the strike started 3.5 hours ago! It's amazing!
      Monkey!!!

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      • #4
        This is one time that the union is shooting itself in the foot.
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        • #5
          Re: UAW Strike - the last gasp?

          Originally posted by Arrian
          I'm no expert on such things, but I do know that GM makes crappy cars that aren't cheap enough to justify their crappiness, and is losing money hand over fist (except for the financing side of the business).
          My GM piece of crap was well worth the price.

          150,000 km in 3 years and all I've replaced were the brakes (at 130k).
          "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
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          • #6
            Job security could take a number of forms:

            (1) You won't fire our guys without just cause (note: lay offs are just cause).

            (2) You won't contract the following functions out to non-union shops: (i) ____, (ii) ____, (iii) ______.

            What good is a union contract if the company suddenly moves all the jobs to a non-union shop?

            I heard productivity has increased 400% since the strike started 3.5 hours ago! It's amazing!
            You believe that having no one working is four times as productive as having people working?? Hey, I have this bridge in Brooklyn I'll sell your for cheap.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
              I assume that making the company go bankrupt wouldn't be too good for job security .
              No kidding. I saw this:
              "The No. 1 issue here is job security," Gettelfinger later said


              and couldn't stop laughing. If you want job security, consider:
              1) not walking off the job
              2) not interfering with the restructuring efforts

              Unions are going to kill American auto companies, which is amazing given it's supposedly a capitalist society.
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              • #8
                The unions offered to take on $51 billions of GM's debt. That's a pretty sweet offer.

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                • #9
                  Re: Re: UAW Strike - the last gasp?

                  Originally posted by Wezil


                  My GM piece of crap was well worth the price.

                  150,000 km in 3 years and all I've replaced were the brakes (at 130k).
                  Is it a truck?

                  -Arrian
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                  • #10
                    Replacing the brakes at only 130,000 km? What a piece!
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                    • #11
                      Re: Re: Re: UAW Strike - the last gasp?

                      Originally posted by Arrian


                      Is it a truck?

                      -Arrian
                      Cavalier.
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                      "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Asher
                        Replacing the brakes at only 130,000 km? What a piece!
                        That's not bad.
                        "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                        "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                        • #13
                          Isn't it amazing how the GM parts start failing right after the warranty expires?
                          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Wezil
                            That's not bad.
                            I suppose it depends on how low your standards are.
                            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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                            • #15
                              I'm impressed. The Cavalier used to be one of the worst cars ever made.

                              It's still crap, IMO, but at least it's crap that keeps running, as opposed to crap that was always in the shop.

                              -Arrian
                              grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                              The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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