The reason I don't like radical feminists

[Chemical Ollie]

This was a fast growing thread. By this post I bookmark it for myself, so I can read it later.

[Wezil]

Originally posted by Kidicious


No. I would have said your name.

Well that's good. It's important to keep good company and I hear Lancer and Sloww are bad to the core.

[Pekka]

Kid, But that's the point, we're not debating feminism. You are. It's as if I was talking about islamic terrorists, and you were talking about muslims, and now you think I'm also talking about them. I might have made the "mistake" of labeling the topic as "radical muslims", by which I would mean these terrorists, NOT muslims who want a change in their society or our society, even if that also is what the terrorists want. Every now and then I'd say "these muslims" and so forth. Everyone, except you, would know what I was talking about, since they understand the context. I might have to make one disclaimer by saying that not all muslims are terrorists, and that this topic is about those terrorists. Few idiots would still come and say "no, you're talking about all muslims. Yes you are. YES YES YES you are. You hate them." .... so now we can't talk about terrorists anymore without interruption of idiotism.

Apparently you have difficulties understanding the context, which makes you a poor communicator and probably a source for many misunderstandings in your life.

But I'd be still talking about terrorists, but you'd say well, knowing my motivations I just "accidentally revealed" my attitude towards Islam and muslims.

Well I'm sooo sorry but this still wasn't about feminism per se, but radical feminists who hate men. Just like it could be about radical muslims who hate everyone else.

So no, you aren't going to advance your position with your accusation in which you claim to know my motivations and acting like a shrink. Besides, the whole man hating is embedded in the argument, the one you still don't grasp. Not because it's impossible to grasp, but because you're obsessed with this feminism thing and that I hate women. You can't turn away from that, so you keep digging it. This is what we know when we talk about the end justifying the means. Try entering any debate with your analysis and you'll find out that you lost because you had no arguments and you couldn't bring down the other arguments, and on top of that you came to the wrong building and insisted what the topic was, when everyone was already firing away.

[Wezil]

I feel your pain Pekka.

You're just misunderstood.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Wezil


Well that's good. It's important to keep good company and I hear Lancer and Sloww are bad to the core.

Nah, they are cool too, even Pekka.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Pekka
Kid, But that's the point, we're not debating feminism.

.... simply because they are walking paradoxes.

I'm all for equal rights, equal opportunity. Gender shouldn't play a part where the man gets the job because the society favors men, more so because men are usually the ones with more powerful positions, so they will more likely choose other men into positions of power. A cycle of a kind.

While this is true, that men have been more powerful and while it is true that there has been a glass ceiling for women in the past and in some places they still exists, and I'm talking about western societies and women... feminism tries to do exactly what?

I think that it has got nothing to do with equal rights. We are protected by the law already. In more conservative feminism this might be the case. However, women who are into this whole raging thing, where men are evil, where men do this and that are doing exactly the thing they are against. That is stereotyping men and by doing that they're assuming men have certain roles in the society.

While trying to break free from roles that women have taken and take, by claiming that the society makes you take those roles, in it's nature that is oppressive and some kind of a man conspiracy.

Well let me tell you radical femmies, I haven't recieved the memo. I haven't been invited to the secret meeting behind in the big garage, where I'm told to hire men only. I'm not there to demand certain roles for women either. So what they REALLY want to do is liberate themselves. It's nothing more than a natural thing for people, to idea of being free, to not conform, to be an individual and demand those rights of individuals. And while doing it, making "the other side" look bad and the reason for it. Well, if someone is "liberated" and accuses me of man conspiracy, it's a bit problematic. I'll take that person as an individual, but if I'm not an individual myself in this same event... if I'm being given roles, that's just not going to cut it.

SO, radical femmies are stupid basically, walking contradictions. And usually there's a big need to compensate, a big need to "be as good as a man", showing that "we don't need men". So they're fixing their cars because that's what a man would do, again assuming roles, and it's just ironic really. OF course a big part of it is to rain down on women who aren't into their ideologies, as the ones who conform, the traitors, the oppressed ones.

So they're just a group of obnoxious people really. So, it's the fault of the society, it's the fault of men who dominate the society etc etc. Sexuality, especially male sexuality is disgusting etc.

So as long as some radical feminist is able to say that I'm a bastard, thinking with my penis and oppressing their rights and just dominating this society, I have all the moral rights to say she's a smelly lesbian who just hasn't met the right guy yet and is angry because she is sexually frustrated. Oh and a whore a well.

Yes. This is my right. Except I'm only attacking that smelly individual there, other than that, I loooove women. They're sweet stuff. They smell nice. They're pretty. They can make me happy. Nothing wrong with that. You can go ahead and NOT take that role all day long, in fact my car needs a fixing, so come on here and shwo you have a bigger penis than I do and fix it!

Please explain how this is anything that you say it is.

[Wezil]

It's not true.

Sloww advocates smashing kids skulls into concrete and I think Lancer has some sort of mail order bride thing going on.

[Pekka]

Kid, well, it's right in front of you. If you can't understand it, then just accept that you didn't get it and stop bothering everyone else.

It's been explained to you more than once, an effort has been made to clear it out for you. At this point I can say that I'm not going to write a book for you.

And I'll see when you get it, since then you're actually dealign with the argument, that has also been explained few times already, so it's not cryptic or hidden. Before that, I'll just have to wait until you get it or simply accept that you didn't get it and leave.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Pekka
Kid, well, it's right in front of you. If you can't understand it, then just accept that you didn't get it and stop bothering everyone else.

It's been explained to you more than once, an effort has been made to clear it out for you. At this point I can say that I'm not going to write a book for you.

And I'll see when you get it, since then you're actually dealign with the argument, that has also been explained few times already, so it's not cryptic or hidden. Before that, I'll just have to wait until you get it or simply accept that you didn't get it and leave.

I think that it has got nothing to do with equal rights. We are protected by the law already. In more conservative feminism this might be the case. However, women who are into this whole raging thing, where men are evil, where men do this and that are doing exactly the thing they are against. That is stereotyping men and by doing that they're assuming men have certain roles in the society.

So if they believe in anything beyond equal rights they are man haters? Also, why are they man haters again? We can't say that you don't like radical feminism even though you created a thread entitled "why I hate radical feminists" What gives you the grounds to say that they hate men. It better be pretty damn good. It better go beyond them outright saying that they hate men.

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by BeBro
But how many do gender studies anyway? Even with GF and extrapolation that is still just a glorified form of anecdotical evidence.....

My point was a perfectly reasonable one. Your glib dismissal of it says nothing.

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by Wezil


Well that's good. It's important to keep good company and I hear Lancer and Sloww are bad to the core.

I leave for a while, and look what happens.

[Wezil]

Cort - Hate to nag at you but.... Do you have a cite for your Dworkin comment (banned by own law) or were you referring to that which I posted?

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Men do rule the world, why shouldn't it be their fault.

You cannot be a communist and a radical feminist. One holds men to be the problem and another one holds capitalist social relations to be the problem.

The poisonous notion of collective guilt is ridiculous, fanatic, authoritarian and downright pernicious. At what age does a man become guilty? At birth? At conception? Or when socialised into the role? If it's the latter, then men are not responsible personally and it's the social / economic system that is.

However, having seen you contemptuously ignore Pekka's patient debate and explainations, while striking ridiculous moral postures and blaming his penis, I'll have to put this thread down as another Kidjack Troll Fest Spectaculaire and bid it farewell.

:sigh:

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by Wezil
Cort - Hate to nag at you but.... Do you have a cite for your Dworkin comment (banned by own law) or were you referring to that which I posted?

No, I don't have a cite - so you might be right. It doesn't alter her politics, though.

[Wezil]

Fair enough.