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    Clinton Unveils $110 Billion Health Plan
    Plan Built Around Universal Coverage, Federal Subsidies


    DES MOINES, Iowa -- Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton is unveiling a sweeping health care reform proposal Monday that would require every American to carry health insurance and offer federal subsidies to help reduce the cost of coverage.

    With a price tag of about $110 billion per year, Clinton's "American Health Choices Plan" represents her first major effort to achieve universal health coverage since 1994, when the plan she authored during her husband's first term collapsed.

    The former first lady says she has learned from that experience, which almost derailed Bill Clinton's presidency and helped put Republicans in control of Congress for years to come. Aides say she has jettisoned the complexity and uncertainty of the last effort in favor of a plan that stresses simplicity, cost control and consumer choice.

    The centerpiece of Clinton's plan is the so-called "individual mandate," requiring everyone to have health insurance - just as most states require drivers to purchase auto insurance. Rival John Edwards has also offered a plan that includes an individual mandate, while the proposal outlined by Barack Obama does not.

    "It puts the consumer in the driver's seat by offering more choices and lowering costs," Neera Tanden, Clinton's top policy adviser, told The Associated Press. "If you like the plan you have, you keep it. If you're one of tens of millions of Americans without coverage or don't like the coverage you have, you will have a choice of plans to pick from and you'll get tax credits to help pay for it."

    Clinton, the Democratic frontrunner, has already laid out proposals to improve health care quality and reduce costs. She was to release her universal health care plan in Iowa, the first voting state.

    With 47 million Americans currently uninsured, the Democratic presidential contenders have been united in advocating universal coverage. They have parted ways on certain specifics, including the individual mandate, which has detractors from both ends of the political spectrum.

    Republican skeptics say it would be too invasive and would restrict personal freedom and choice. Liberal Democrats have expressed concern that such a mandate would be too financially burdensome for lower-income individuals and families - a concern shared by Obama, who has said individuals cannot be forced to purchase insurance until the cost of coverage is substantially reduced.

    Aides said Clinton believes that an individual mandate is the only way to achieve health care for all. A key component of her plan would be a federal tax subsidy to help individuals pay for coverage.

    Clinton's plan builds on the existing employer-based system of coverage. People who receive insurance through the workplace could continue to do so; businesses, in turn, would be required to offer insurance to employees, or contribute to a government-run pool that would help pay for those not covered. Clinton would also offer a tax subsidy to small businesses to help them afford the cost of providing coverage to their workers.

    For individuals and families who are not covered by employers or whose employer-based coverage is inadequate, Clinton would offer expanded versions of two existing government programs: Medicare, and the health insurance plan currently offered to federal employees. Consumers could choose between either government-run program, but aides stress that no new federal bureaucracy would be created under the Clinton plan.

    Aides said Clinton will propose several specific measures to pay for her plan, including an end to some of the Bush-era tax cuts for people making more than $250,000 per year. Edwards has vowed to completely repeal the tax cuts for high earners to pay for the cost of his plan, estimated at $90 billion-$120 billion per year, while Obama would pay for his plan in part by letting the tax cuts expire in 2010.

    Clinton is also expected to stress several cost-saving measures to help pay for universal coverage. She's already recommended several such proposals, such computerized medical record-keeping and a reduction in federal overpayments to hospitals and health maintenance organizations. She would also promote wellness and disease prevention as a way to reduce costs.

    Clinton is sure to court danger from the health insurance industry by proposing several industry reforms. Among other things, she would require insurance companies to provide coverage to all consumers regardless of pre-existing conditions.

    The insurance industry helped kill Clinton's earlier attempt at health care reform through a multibillion-dollar media and lobbying campaign.

    While Clinton is expected to lay out a concrete vision for health care reform, she will probably steer clear of delving too deeply into policy specifics, at least for now.

    Her 1994 effort was 1,300 pages long and so detailed it offered little room for any maneuvering or compromise. And after seven years in the Senate, Clinton has said she's developed a greater appreciation of the need to compromise.
    Let's say I have AIDS or terminal cancer. What insurance company will be willing to sell me insurance -- even with federal subsidies?

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    Hillarycare, OJ in jail again? Is it really 1994 again?
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    • #3
      Re: Hillary's Healthcare Plan

      Originally posted by Zkribbler
      Let's say I have AIDS or terminal cancer. What insurance company will be willing to sell me insurance -- even with federal subsidies?
      IIRC, part of the plan is that insurance companies are mandated to offer some minimal form of insurance to everyone.
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      • #4
        Crap she still doesn't have the balls to deal with the insurance companies, but we have the dough to pay them off?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Lancer
          Crap she still doesn't have the balls to deal with the insurance companies, but we have the dough to pay them off?
          she had the balls, so to speak, she didnt have the votes.

          Shes learned that politics is the art of the possible.

          Who else has a plan thats better?
          "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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          • #6
            Originally posted by lord of the mark


            she had the balls, so to speak, she didnt have the votes.

            Shes learned that politics is the art of the possible.

            Who else has a plan thats better?
            California SB 840 by Sen. Shiela Kuehl
            Here's an overview. LINK
            Last edited by Zkribbler; September 19, 2007, 14:38.

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            • #7
              Re: Hillary's Healthcare Plan

              Originally posted by Zkribbler


              Let's say I have AIDS or terminal cancer. What insurance company will be willing to sell me insurance -- even with federal subsidies?
              thats why her plan makes more sense than Obamas. Everyone is required to sign up for insurance - so the insurance companies should be getting millions of healthy customers,as well as sick folks like you, and you will probably have been covered for awhile when you get your fatal illness. One without mandatory enrollment, but with a requirement on insurance companies to take everyone, is more subject to abuse - you dont sign up UNTIL you get sick.
              "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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              • #8
                Why should everyone be forced to have health insurance?
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                • #9
                  we are mere tools for enriching aholes.
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                  • #10
                    Tax and spend.

                    Good to see the democrats returning to their roots.


                    Anybody got stats on how many people die each year because of the lack of insurance today?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Caligastia
                      Why should everyone be forced to have health insurance?
                      First everyone should be taught to read.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Caligastia
                        Why should everyone be forced to have health insurance?
                        People without health insurance get sicker and sicker until they are forced to go to an emergency room.

                        Emergency room care is the most expensive care there is.

                        Since uninsured can almost never afford to pay for their emergency room care, the cost is foisted off on the rest of us. About 1/3 of health insurance premiums is used to pay for the care of the uninsured.

                        Even this money is often not enough to pay hospitals for the emergency room care. More and more emergeny rooms are being closed down because of massive financial losses.

                        I hope this news doesn't give you a heart attacked because, who knows, maybe your local emergency room has closed down.

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                        • #13
                          I'm skeptical about mandates until we know that the program is keeping costs down and subsidies high enough (MA had to revise its subsidy). But it looks like a decent enough plan, very similar to Edwards'. Better than I expected.

                          The key to all three plans is that they include a public health insurance component, and therefore a path to single payer.

                          I could live with any of the three plans. They're much better than Richardson's univeral health care without rolling back the Bush tax cuts or Giuliani's universal health care by a fixed tax deduction independent of income.

                          The question, though, becomes which of the three are most willing to fight for the important parts of the plan (i.e. a public health insurance). Needless to say, I'm the most skeptical of Clinton's committment.
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                          • #14
                            My local emergency room has not shut down. In fact, the local hospital has just come out in oposition to a new hospital being proposed. They state that there is more than enough capacity. Additionally, the hospital just announced record profits.

                            Hmmm....perhaps this is not the problem we have been led to believe?

                            Got stats on how many people have died because there is no emergency room?

                            It sure sounds like private health care is finding a way to pay the costs through the setting of premiums. Why should the government get involved?

                            Finally, the requirement for carrying insurance with respect to the requirement for carrying automobile insurance. First...states set the requirement for insurance...not the federal government. Second, the requirement is for liability insurance. There is no requirement to cover your own vehicle. A very poor analogy designed to sway the weak minded.
                            "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                            • #15
                              It sure sounds like private health care is finding a way to pay the costs through the setting of premiums. Why should the government get involved?


                              The government is involved. Everyone that goes to an emergency room has to be treated! Regardless of ability to pay.
                              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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