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The answer, in my humble opinion, is Bernard Kouchner as FM. The man is a dedicated interventionist in the Tony Blair / Neocon mould.
For this man, Iraq is clearly not enough.
For this man, Iraq is clearly not enough.
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Have the socialists disowned him yet?
Makes Cheney look like a piker.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891 -
Really? May they go in and win. Hopefully this time they can hold Moscow.Long time member @ Apolyton
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Re: Why is France the new hawk in Europe?
Its cause he DOESNT want war. If Iran thinks it can divide the West, it may continue to pursue nuclear weapons, and war may come. If Iran thinks the West is serious, they are more likely to back down.Originally posted by Cort Haus
The answer, in my humble opinion, is Bernard Kouchner as FM. The man is a dedicated interventionist in the Tony Blair / Neocon mould.
For this man, Iraq is clearly not enough.
Vive la France!"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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old europe
new france
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Re: Why is France the new hawk in Europe?
He is hardly some kind of a classic warmonger, but yes he has a history in promoting humanitarian interventionism based on his personal experiences in Africa and elsewhere. The Iran thing however has nothing to do with that.Originally posted by Cort Haus
The answer, in my humble opinion, is Bernard Kouchner as FM. The man is a dedicated interventionist in the Tony Blair / Neocon mould.
As for his point about allowing Iran to get nukes I agree with him it shouldn't happen.BlahComment
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How do you disallow Iran from getting nukes? Ask really really nice?Long time member @ Apolyton
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escalate sanctions to the point they really hurt.Originally posted by Lancer
How do you disallow Iran from getting nukes? Ask really really nice?
Make the mullahs choose between Uranium enrichment and large scale unemployment, with its associated political risks."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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An embargo might work.Originally posted by Lancer
How do you disallow Iran from getting nukes? Ask really really nice?Comment
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An oil embargo!
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They have to import gas.Comment
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Im not sure what Baruk Khazad is , but if they speak Judeo-Dwarvish, that would be "blessed are the dwarves" - lord of the markComment
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Ya, that worked in Iraq. Nobody wants to hear this, but "peaceful" sanctions are worse then war. War may kill civilians as a side effect, but civilians are the direct target of sanctions. A well executed military strike would be more merciful then starving the populace with years of sanctions. Because I can already hear the arguements, I reiterate, a well executed strike would be neccessary, not the bungled, political whoo ha of Iraq. We need an overwhelming, massive strike, clear goals, and an exit strategy. We need to stick to it too (not in the way Bush sticks to it), not continually changing our reasons for being there and doing a political tap dance for oppurtunist oppositional politicians.Originally posted by lord of the mark
escalate sanctions to the point they really hurt.
Make the mullahs choose between Uranium enrichment and large scale unemployment, with its associated political risks.EViiiiiiL!!! - Mermaid ManComment
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France has calculated that an attack on Iran is exceedingly unlikely at this point.
Therefore they can play hawk for free and get some markers with the US and Israel.VANGUARDComment
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Iraq was a totalitarian state. Iran is an authoritarian state. You think Iran allows semi-free elections (albeit between mullah vetted candidates) which Iraq under Saddam did not do, cause the Mullahs have read Burke and Aristotle and believe in limited democracy? Nah, its cause theyre afraid if they dont allow enough room to vent, they will fall.Originally posted by Shrapnel12
Ya, that worked in Iraq. .
If unemployment raises significantly they will face some very serious dilemmas. That can be achieved with sanctions far lighter than those imposed on Iraq."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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