Opus Dei: harmless sect or evil cult?

[Harry Tuttle]

Originally posted by Asher
Is any one catholic sect more evil than another? Not really.

Hehey! That's what was missing these past few months! Welcome back!

[Straybow]

It's not like they're drinking blood and worshiping satan... they're just a little bit evil.

[Pekka]

Aivo, you're serving now? HA-HA!!

Anyway, seems weird to me that someone would try to convert people into some religion in the room you're in, our room mostly had pseudo-gay stuff going on and nothing else. Perhaps farting. And porn magazines.

I can't imagine religious converting taking place in there.

[Cort Haus]

Re: Opus Dei: harmless sect or evil cult?

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
I've had some contact with Opus Dei people recently. They seem to want to recruit me.

What do you think?

If they want to recruit you, they must be evil.

[BeBMan]

Evil cults are more interesting though than harmless sects.

[Thorgal]

AFAIK opus dei is not a sect or cult but some sort of organization inside the Catholic church itself. Somewhat as the SS inside the nazi party (it is a simple analogy, any similarity is purely coincidental ).

[Barnabas]

The opus dei is the new catholic elite, the old catholic elite used to be the jesuits (funny how both jesuits and opus dei were created in Spain)

Opus dei has universities, people with a lot of money, their christianity is closer to protestant work ethic, they teach people that they can live holy lives thru their normal work, that they dont need to be priests or nuns to be holy, that a lawyer or an accountant can be holy.
Opus dei economists are quite right wing and libertarian, of the austrian type, in comparison jesuits, who also are quite intellectual, have universities, are seen as leftist, supporters of commie-catholicism liberation theology, decadent and prone to heresy and relativism etc

[Alexander's Horse]

did anyone check out the links?

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Aivo½so
On the topic of Christian cults...

I'm currently serving in the Finnish Defence Forces and during my basic training period I shared my room with a guy who was a member of some Christian sect with origins in the US Midwest, some Identity Ministries blahblah. I've previously read a lot of stuff by similar people on the Internet but this was the first time I saw one of these guys live. My first impression of the guy was that he seemed to be pretty nice, polite and helpful, a person that anyone could get well along with. Then, gradually, he started exposing his religious and social views which included not only denial of evolution, but also extermination of the Jews (who, according to him, are the seeds of Satan), the Muslims who he thought were attempting to destroy our culture from the inside and the usual jazz, and gays, because he thought the Bible said that homosexuality was wrong. According to him, black people could be spared if they first would be "corrected". He had with him a lot of American-published books about biblical explanations of race differences and crap like that by nutjobs with "doctoral degrees" from some American joke universities. Every now and then he would start trying to convert the rest of the people in our room to his beliefs. I had, and still have, a hard time believing he was being serious even though I saw this with my own eyes. Considering that he otherwise seemed to be such a sympathetic person, his views seemed like a mental straitjacket that he willingly had accepted to wear. Religious idiocy like this should definitely be placed under a worldwide ban.

I think it's hilarious yet sad that you finish off your condemnation of intolerance with a call to silence a whole group of people.

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by Asher
Is any one catholic sect more evil than another? Not really.

A sign! Asher returns!

I think you'd fit in there very well

[Barnabas]

Asher would make a great numerary

[Pekka]

Kuci, But he didn't do that. He said "Religious idiocy like this..".

And it definitely should be banned from the army, the rooms you have to live in. They're crappy rooms, 10 guys with you, with any luck you'll be there with them 24/7, 365 days, excluding some weekends.

You think people like others who start to convert people in that kidn of environment? That's absolutely not cool. People have 0 privacy in there. Plus with any luck you'll spend about 100 days in a small tent wher eyou can't even sit up, smelling that guy, 5 inch away from him.

If you want to keep things civil, as in no one starts fighting, certain limits have to be followed. Religious idiocy like that is intrusive in an environment like that. You can not escape it. Thus it shouldn't be tolerated. You can be religious, no one is against htat, but converting and basically getting to your face about it? People like that usualyl end up getting their face configured and rightly so. It's a question of mental health. People are tired already, no extra crap is needed, thanks.

[Kuciwalker]

Kuci, But he didn't do that. He said "Religious idiocy like this..".

... which encompasses an entire group of people.

And it definitely should be banned from the army

He said it should be put under a "worldwide ban," whatever that means.

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by Pekka
Kuci, But he didn't do that. He said "Religious idiocy like this..".

And it definitely should be banned from the army, the rooms you have to live in. They're crappy rooms, 10 guys with you, with any luck you'll be there with them 24/7, 365 days, excluding some weekends.

You think people like others who start to convert people in that kidn of environment? That's absolutely not cool. People have 0 privacy in there. Plus with any luck you'll spend about 100 days in a small tent wher eyou can't even sit up, smelling that guy, 5 inch away from him.

If you want to keep things civil, as in no one starts fighting, certain limits have to be followed. Religious idiocy like that is intrusive in an environment like that. You can not escape it. Thus it shouldn't be tolerated. You can be religious, no one is against htat, but converting and basically getting to your face about it? People like that usualyl end up getting their face configured and rightly so. It's a question of mental health. People are tired already, no extra crap is needed, thanks.

Wouldn't it just be easier to practice your surrender? It would probably only take a weekend to get it right.

[Pekka]

AH, Nah . Like I said, I find it weird that the stuff would go on where Aivo is. It couldn't have happened where I was. It was too.... sexual.