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  • #166
    It depends on your definition of normal. If I had what was supposed to be an ultimate device with all the hype the iPhone had, I'd expect it to be sold out for quite some time after launch. Look at the Wii, for instance. Or even the Xbox 360 when it launched...stores were sold out until sometime in the new year with it. And, BTW, the 360 waited 2 years for a pricecut -- not 2 months.

    It is NOT normal to issue a 33% pricecut on a highly hyped device two months after launch.

    It is NOT normal for it to be very easy to get that device after the 33% pricecut.

    There were some gross miscalculations made by Apple and AT&T regarding the target market. The price cuts are the first step to try to rectify it, but even the pricecuts don't seem to be clearing inventory.
    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
    Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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    • #167
      Originally posted by Wiglaf


      Did you even read this post?
      Yeah, and it's wrong. I googled all kinds of stuff about how all kinds of people were having problems with activation.
      I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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      • #168
        That is anecdotal. Has nothing to do with the statistics.

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        • #169
          Originally posted by Asher
          Ignorance of supply chain management? Do you seriously think AT&T negotiated a 5 year exclusive deal with the iPhone, promoted the hell out of it, then didn't ship a lot of units to their stores?
          You see? The fact that the deal is for 5 years doesn't mean anything. They only ship them as they need them. They don't keep anywhere near 5 years worth of stock just because they are going to be selling them for 5 years. The only amt they keep in stock is the amt they will need before the next shipment, probably the next day.
          I'm not ignorant of supply chain management, you're ignorant of business strategy in general.

          Answer me this: Why are Apple stores outselling AT&T 7-1?
          I don't know. Maybe they have other products that they make more profit on.

          That still doesn't explain why they would have all the inventory that you think they have.
          I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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          • #170
            Originally posted by Wiglaf
            That is anecdotal. Has nothing to do with the statistics.
            Who said 2% of customers had trouble with activation? And how many didn't bother to activate the first couple of days because they couldn't get through on the phone in time?
            I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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            • #171
              Originally posted by Kidicious
              You see? The fact that the deal is for 5 years doesn't mean anything.
              Maybe it doesn't mean anything to you. But upon careful analysis, what it should tell you is AT&T sees strategic importance in maximizing the success of the iPhone. If they saw it as "just another product", like you seem to think they're treating it as, they wouldn't sign the exclusive contract (likely paying a lot for it, also).

              There's more going on here than simply selling a gimmicky gadget. There's business strategy, and I don't believe you are aware of it.

              That still doesn't explain why they would have all the inventory that you think they have.
              Why is this difficult to understand?

              There's no reason for a pricecut if the phones are being sold as expected.
              Analysis by independent firms show AT&T iPhone sales are very low.
              Apple is bragging about high sales that are not being substantiated by activation numbers, as well as independent firm analysis.

              Put the pieces together.
              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
              Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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              • #172
                Who said 2% of customers had trouble with activation? And how many didn't bother to activate the first couple of days because they couldn't get through on the phone in time
                AT&T posts that ~ 2% had trouble with activation. They would know this better than you or your anecdotes of angry people.

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                • #173
                  Originally posted by Kidicious
                  Who said 2% of customers had trouble with activation? And how many didn't bother to activate the first couple of days because they couldn't get through on the phone in time?
                  Apparently you don't even know how the iPhones are activated...

                  I guess that makes sense, given how badly you're being beaten here.
                  "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                  Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                  • #174
                    Originally posted by Asher
                    It depends on your definition of normal. If I had what was supposed to be an ultimate device with all the hype the iPhone had, I'd expect it to be sold out for quite some time after launch. Look at the Wii, for instance. Or even the Xbox 360 when it launched...stores were sold out until sometime in the new year with it. And, BTW, the 360 waited 2 years for a pricecut -- not 2 months.

                    It is NOT normal to issue a 33% pricecut on a highly hyped device two months after launch.

                    It is NOT normal for it to be very easy to get that device after the 33% pricecut.

                    There were some gross miscalculations made by Apple and AT&T regarding the target market. The price cuts are the first step to try to rectify it, but even the pricecuts don't seem to be clearing inventory.
                    dude, what inventory. You are just making that up. Stores don't have inventory like that. Manufacturers don't even keep inventory like that.
                    I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                    - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                    • #175
                      Do you really think AT&T doesn't have distribution warehouses? You seem to be ignorant of the retail supply chain.
                      "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                      Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                      • #176
                        Originally posted by Wiglaf


                        AT&T posts that ~ 2% had trouble with activation. They would know this better than you or your anecdotes of angry people.
                        Well ****! You expect us to take their word for it.
                        I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                        - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                        • #177
                          Originally posted by Asher
                          Do you really think AT&T doesn't have distribution warehouses? You seem to be ignorant of the retail supply chain.
                          Yes, and they don't keep inventory there that isn't going to be distributed immediately.
                          I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                          - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                          • #178
                            Originally posted by Kidicious
                            Yes, and they don't keep inventory there that isn't going to be distributed immediately.
                            Isn't that the idea? They anticipated they would be distributed immediately. Expectations for the iPhone were very high...
                            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                            Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                            • #179
                              Originally posted by Kidicious


                              Well ****! You expect us to take their word for it.
                              You seem to take their sales figures at their word.

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                              • #180
                                Originally posted by Asher

                                Maybe it doesn't mean anything to you. But upon careful analysis, what it should tell you is AT&T sees strategic importance in maximizing the success of the iPhone. If they saw it as "just another product", like you seem to think they're treating it as, they wouldn't sign the exclusive contract (likely paying a lot for it, also).
                                I'm not arguing that it's not important to AT&T. It may not be as important as it is to Apple. That doesn't mean that they shipped a **** load of inventory to their stores. That's not normal. They have a space their at each store that can keep one days worth of sales of iphone and no more. Shipments come everyday. OMG you know nothing about this do you?
                                There's no reason for a pricecut if the phones are being sold as expected.
                                Of course there is. You don't think they expected to lower the price ever? You have this time period in your head in which you think the price should stay the same, and it doesn't work like that. The price should be dropped after a certain about of product is sold.
                                Analysis by independent firms show AT&T iPhone sales are very low.
                                Apple is bragging about high sales that are not being substantiated by activation numbers, as well as independent firm analysis.

                                Put the pieces together.
                                You don't have any data on the activation numbers. You are just making all that up.
                                I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                                - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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