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    Why "Nice Guys" are often such LOSERS

    You hear it all the time: "He was such a NICE Guy, and she's such a Heartless ***** for dumping him."

    I get letters from self-professed Nice Guys, complaining that women must WANT to be treated like ****, because THEY, the "Nice Guy" have failed repeatedly in relationships. This is akin to the false logic that "Whales are mammals. Whales live in the sea. Therefore, all mammals live in the sea."

    If you have one bad relationship after another, the only common denominator is YOU. Think about it.

    What's wrong with Nice Guys? The biggest problem is that most Nice Guys (tm) are hideously insecure. They are so anxious to be liked and loved that they do things for other people to gain acceptance and attention, rather than for the simply pleasure of giving. You never know if a Nice Guy really likes you for who you are, or if he has glommed onto you out of desperation because you actually paid some kind of attention to him.

    Nice Guys exude insecurity -- a big red target for the predators of the world. There are women out there who are "users" -- just looking for a sucker to take advantage of. Users home-in on "Nice Guys", stroke their egos, take them for a ride, add a notch to their belts, and move on. It's no wonder so many Nice Guys complain about women being horrible, when the so often the kind of woman that gets attracted to them is the lowest form of life...

    Self-confident, caring, decent-hearted women find "Nice Guys" to be too clingy, self-abasing, and insecure.

    Nice Guys go overboard. They bring roses to a "lets get together for coffee" date. They try to buy her affections with presents and fancy things. They think they know about romance, but their timing is all wrong, and they either come-on too strong, too hard and too fast, OR, they are so shy and unassertive, that they hang around pretending to be "friends", in the hope that somehow, someway, they will get the courage up to ask her out for a "date".

    They are so desperate to please that they put aside their own needs, and place the object of their desire on a pedestal. Instead of appreciating her, they worship her. We are only human, and pedestals are narrow, confining places to be -- not to mention the fact that we tend to fall off of them.

    They cling to her, and want to be "one" with her for fear that if she is out of sight, she may disappear or become attracted to someone else. A Nice Guy often has trouble with emotional intimacy, because he believes that if she learns about the REAL person inside, she will no longer love him.

    Nice Guys are always asking HER to make the decisions. They think it's being equitable, but it puts an unfair burden of responsibility on her, and gives him the opportunity to blame her if the decision was an unwise one.

    Nice Guys rarely speak up when something bothers them, and rarely state clearly what it is they want, need and expect. They fear that any kind of conflict might spell the end of the relationship. Instead of comprimising and negotiating, they repeatedly "give in". When she doesn't appreciate their sacrifice, they will complain that, "Everything I did, I did for her.", as if this somehow elevates them to the status of martyrs. A woman doesn't want a martyr. She wants an equal, caring, adult partner.

    Nice Guys think that they will never meet anyone as special as she is. They use their adoration as a foundation for claiming that "no one will ever love her as much as I do." Instead of being a profound statement of their devotion, this is a subtle, but nasty insult. It is akin to saying to her: "You are a difficult person, and only *I* can ever truly love you, so be thankful I'm here."

    The nice guy -needs- to believe that he is the best person for the object of his desires, because otherwise his insecurities will overrun him with jealousies and fear. The truth of the matter is that there are many people out there who can be a good match for her. We rarely stop loving people we truly care about. Even if we no longer continue the relationship, the feelings will continue... But love isn't mutually exclusive. We can (and do) love many people in our lives, and romantic love is really no different. Though he may love her immensely, there will likely be other people who have loved her just as much in her past, and will love her just as much in the future. The irony of it all is: "Who would want to go out with someone who was inherintly unlovable anyways?"

    More than loving the woman in his life, a Nice Guy NEEDS her. "She is my Life, my only source of happiness..." YECH! What kind of a burden is that to place on her? That SHE has to be responsible for YOUR happiness? Get a grip!

    Another mistake Nice Guys make is to go after "hard luck" cases. They deliberately pick women with neuroses, problems, and personality disorders, because Nice Guys are "helpers". A Nice Guy thinks that by "helping" this woman, it will make him a better, more lovable person. He thinks it will give him a sense of accomplishment, and that she will appreciate and love him more, for all his efforts and sacrifice. He is usually disappointed by the results.

    This ultimately boils down to the fact that Nice Guys don't like themselves. Is it any wonder women don't like them? In order to truly love someone else, you must first love yourself. Too often Nice Guys mistake obsession for "love".

    Get this Guys: INSECURITY ISN'T SEXY. IT'S A TURNOFF.

    You don't have to be an ego-inflated, arrogant jerk. You just have to LIKE yourself. You have to know what you want out of life, and go after it. Only then will you be attractive to the kind of woman with whom a long-term relationship is possible
    EDIT: I give up, screw the link.
    Last edited by Nostromo; August 25, 2007, 15:06.
    Let us be lazy in everything, except in loving and drinking, except in being lazy – Lessing

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    "Get this Guys: INSECURITY ISN'T SEXY. IT'S A TURNOFF."

    That will teach them insecure bastards
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    • #3
      Link isn't working.





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      • #4
        Another self-proclaimed authority on all things romantic talking out of their arse.
        Speaking of Erith:

        "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Provost Harrison
          Another self-proclaimed authority on all things romantic talking out of their arse.
          Because you'd know.


          Anyway, can there possibly anyone within earshot of Western society who hasn't heard this particular rant already? :yawn:
          Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

          It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
          The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Provost Harrison
            Another self-proclaimed authority on all things romantic talking out of their arse.
            Well, that's why I posted it. I wanted to hear what a real authority like you had to say about it

            I don't know if you've read it, but she's not saying "be an arrogant *******, and you'll score more".
            Let us be lazy in everything, except in loving and drinking, except in being lazy – Lessing

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Lul Thyme
              Link isn't working.





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              • #8
                A real authority.

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                • #9
                  What is said as final analysis about insecurity is fine. I don't see why that applies to "Nice Guys" any more than any other group though. In fact the whole description of nice guys appears to focus on a subset who by definition have self-worth issues. People can be nice guys and be happy, secure and well adjusted.
                  One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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                  • #10

                    Nice guys vs jerks

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                    The debate of "nice guys vs. jerks" has been raging for quite a long time. The nature of being a "nice guy", however, is commonly misunderstood. It is believed that being polite, considerate, friendly, tender, romantic, etc. is what being a "nice guy" is all about and thus those qualities should be avoided, as it is the "jerk", the rude, the inconsiderate, the impolite, the rough guy who always gets the girl while the "nice guy" is waiting outside in the pouring rain with flowers in his hand.

                    It doesn't mean that women prefer rude over polite, inconsiderate over considerate, etc. It all becomes clear when we look at a very important issue often overlooked when trying to define what makes the "jerks" beat the "nice guys" when it comes to getting the girls. It is sexuality - the "jerks" are not afraid to show that they are sexual beings, while the "nice guys" hide their sexuality as a part of their agenda of being friendly, polite, and courteous towards women.

                    Peta, Clifford's Seduction Newsletter: "It dawned on me as it has, that the androgyny is key. Women fall for bastards because they don't turn off the sexuality.. "nice" guys think women will be terrified of their sexuality, so they turn it off and all they get is women responding to their androgyny [sending all nice guys to LJBF-land]"

                    The above is far more concise, and spot on.

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                    • #11
                      No, it isn't.
                      One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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                      • #12
                        I am a nice guy, I'm not insecure, I have the girl of my dreams, a filipina. Filipinas actually like nice guys and interestingly enough don't like bad guys. They don't have a ton of rules that rule a nice guy out.

                        That works for Lancer, because my wife is a happy woman!
                        Long time member @ Apolyton
                        Civilization player since the dawn of time

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                        • #13
                          Years ago, I heard a saying that describes a so-called perfect woman.

                          1) A Maid throughout the house

                          2) A Chef in the kitchen

                          3) A Whore in the bedroom.

                          Well, guys can most certainly relate to this as well

                          A) A team player in helping keep the house clean

                          B) A Chef in kitchen, helping to cook AND clean up afterward

                          C) An adventourous,free spirit in the bedroom, willing to be gentle, kind, considerate and romatic, all the while pushing her to the brink and shoving her over sensually. Both man and woman should leave taboo's outside the bedroom, find what each other enjoy and expound upon it. Whether it is talking, scenario enjoyment,rougher than possibly normal, control and the lack of control should be explored.

                          How nicer can a guy be but to fulfill and then lead his woman through experiences, keep her intrigued, almost anticipating how she will be allowed to be set free the very next time the two enter the very chambers that have no bounds!

                          Not a thing wrong with flowers or even trinkets, nothing wrong at all.

                          What woman would find it a bad thing to be massaged from head to toe, slowly rubbed, slowly manipulated into a relaxing state, slowly having the furnace of her spirit stoked, I am certain that would allow a nice girl to appreciate a nice guy.

                          Just some experience without being to graphic.....

                          Grampalicious
                          Hi, I'm RAH and I'm a Benaholic.-rah

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Dauphin
                            What is said as final analysis about insecurity is fine. I don't see why that applies to "Nice Guys" any more than any other group though. In fact the whole description of nice guys appears to focus on a subset who by definition have self-worth issues. People can be nice guys and be happy, secure and well adjusted.
                            Exactly. You can be nice to girls without being a Nice Guy, in the sense portrayed here. The nice guy portrayed here is too nice, he's nice to the point of being submissive. And if he's like that, it stems from his underlying insecurity and lack of confidence in himself.
                            Last edited by Nostromo; August 25, 2007, 16:06.
                            Let us be lazy in everything, except in loving and drinking, except in being lazy – Lessing

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Grandpa Troll
                              Years ago, I heard a saying that describes a so-called perfect woman.

                              1) A Maid throughout the house

                              2) A Chef in the kitchen

                              3) A Whore in the bedroom.
                              ZOMFG i'm a so-called perfect woman!

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