Greatest Civilization in the World - Hurt or Heal?

[Maniac]

Originally posted by EPW
Rome and Greece were definitely not isolated

What criteria do you use to say Rome and Greece was isolated, but China was not?

[Nikolai]

106 - Rome +
94 - Greece
10 - China -

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by Maniac


What criteria do you use to say Rome and Greece was isolated, but China was not?

Big ships per se don't prove much about isolation (which the illustration nicely demonstrates by providing the much smaller St. Maria for comparison).

[Patroklos]

106 - Rome
96 - Greece
8 - China

And China as a civilization is not really one continuous thing either, the different eras of their history have significant differences. Pre and Post Mongolia are very different, as an example.

And of course when China encountered the West first hand, the victor was clear

[Ninot]

108 - Rome ++
94 - Greece --
8 - China

[Nugog]

110 - Rome ++
94 - Greece
6 - China --

[Maniac]

Originally posted by BeBro
Big ships per se don't prove much about isolation (which the illustration nicely demonstrates by providing the much smaller St. Maria for comparison).

That was the ship of Zheng He the explorer.
Also, the Santa Maria wasn't a Roman/Greek ship.

Originally posted by Nugog
108 - Rome
94 - Greece
8 - China

[BeBMan]

Well, of course Columbus' ships weren't Roman or Greek. My point was just about the size.

But afaik Zheng He didn't live during the high times of ancient Hellas or Rome either so expecting them to build anything similar to vessels used ca. 2000 yrs later seems a bit unfair to me...

[Nugog]

Originally posted by Maniac

Originally posted by Nugog
108 - Rome
94 - Greece
8 - China

[EPW]

110 - Rome ++
94 - Greece
6 - China --

[Nikolai]

112 - Rome +
94 - Greece
4 - China -

[DAVOUT]

112 - Rome
96 - Greece ++
2 - China --

[Nugog]

Originally posted by Nugog
110 - Rome ++
94 - Greece
6 - China --

Seeing as I voted China down to 6, and EPW, Nikolai and DAVOUT have also voted them down, I make the scores to be:

114 - Rome
98 - Greece
Eliminated - China.

[Nikolai]

No, after you voted, Maniac voted China up again.

[Nugog]

Ahh - now I see - the quote box confused me...........

Alright - move along nothing to see here......