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Originally posted by EPW
Rome and Greece were definitely not isolated
Rome and Greece were definitely not isolated
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What criteria do you use to say Rome and Greece was isolated, but China was not?
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106 - Rome +
94 - Greece
10 - China -Do not fear, for I am with you; Do not anxiously look about you, for I am your God.-Isaiah 41:10
I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made - Psalms 139.14a
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Big ships per se don't prove much about isolation (which the illustration nicely demonstrates by providing the much smaller St. Maria for comparison).Originally posted by Maniac
What criteria do you use to say Rome and Greece was isolated, but China was not?
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106 - Rome
96 - Greece
8 - China
And China as a civilization is not really one continuous thing either, the different eras of their history have significant differences. Pre and Post Mongolia are very different, as an example.
And of course when China encountered the West first hand, the victor was clear
"The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.Comment
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108 - Rome ++
94 - Greece --
8 - ChinaResident Filipina Lady Boy Expert.Comment
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110 - Rome ++
94 - Greece
6 - China --I don't know why he saved my life. Maybe in those last moments he loved life more than he ever had before. Not just his life - anybody's life, my life. All he'd wanted were the same answers the rest of us want. Where did I come from? Where am I going? How long have I got? All I could do was sit there and watch him die.Comment
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That was the ship of Zheng He the explorer.Originally posted by BeBro
Big ships per se don't prove much about isolation (which the illustration nicely demonstrates by providing the much smaller St. Maria for comparison).
Also, the Santa Maria wasn't a Roman/Greek ship.
Originally posted by Nugog
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94 - Greece
8 - China
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Well, of course Columbus' ships weren't Roman or Greek. My point was just about the size.
But afaik Zheng He didn't live during the high times of ancient Hellas or Rome either so expecting them to build anything similar to vessels used ca. 2000 yrs later seems a bit unfair to me...
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Originally posted by Maniac
Originally posted by Nugog
108 - Rome
94 - Greece
8 - China
I don't know why he saved my life. Maybe in those last moments he loved life more than he ever had before. Not just his life - anybody's life, my life. All he'd wanted were the same answers the rest of us want. Where did I come from? Where am I going? How long have I got? All I could do was sit there and watch him die.Comment
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110 - Rome ++
94 - Greece
6 - China --"Comment
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112 - Rome +
94 - Greece
4 - China -Do not fear, for I am with you; Do not anxiously look about you, for I am your God.-Isaiah 41:10
I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made - Psalms 139.14a
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112 - Rome
96 - Greece ++
2 - China --Statistical anomaly.
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Seeing as I voted China down to 6, and EPW, Nikolai and DAVOUT have also voted them down, I make the scores to be:Originally posted by Nugog
110 - Rome ++
94 - Greece
6 - China --
114 - Rome
98 - Greece
Eliminated - China.
I don't know why he saved my life. Maybe in those last moments he loved life more than he ever had before. Not just his life - anybody's life, my life. All he'd wanted were the same answers the rest of us want. Where did I come from? Where am I going? How long have I got? All I could do was sit there and watch him die.Comment
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No, after you voted, Maniac voted China up again.Do not fear, for I am with you; Do not anxiously look about you, for I am your God.-Isaiah 41:10
I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made - Psalms 139.14a
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Ahh - now I see - the quote box confused me...........
Alright - move along nothing to see here......I don't know why he saved my life. Maybe in those last moments he loved life more than he ever had before. Not just his life - anybody's life, my life. All he'd wanted were the same answers the rest of us want. Where did I come from? Where am I going? How long have I got? All I could do was sit there and watch him die.Comment
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