Greatest Civilization in the World - Hurt or Heal?

[LordShiva]

Persia

Huge impact on teh world through teh Arabs, Ottomans, even Mongols and Greeks. In teh post-Egypt/Sumeria/Indus Valley age, it was one of teh four cultural fountainheads of teh ancient world.

And of course Zoroastrianism and monotheism hugely influenced world religion.

Zoroastrianism is uniquely important in the history of religion because of its possible formative links to both Western and Eastern religious traditions. As "the oldest of the revealed credal religions," Zoroastrianism "probably had more influence on mankind directly or indirectly, more than any other faith."

[Kataphraktoi]

15 - USA
14 – Germany
29 - England/Britain
15 - France
4 - Spain
29 - Rome -2
31 - Greece
28 - Egypt
9 – Persia +2
14 – Babylon
25 - China
18 - India

[LordShiva]

It's certainly more famous for its pre-Islam contributions, but Muslim Persia played a big role in teh Islamic world as well, much like Greece did after going Christian.

[Julian Delphiki]

15 - USA
14 – Germany
29 - England/Britain
15 - France
2 - Spain -2
31 - Rome +2
31 - Greece
28 - Egypt
9 – Persia
14 – Babylon
25 - China
18 - India

[Maquiladora]

15 - USA
14 – Germany
29 - England/Britain
17 - France +2
0 - Spain -2
31 - Rome
31 - Greece
28 - Egypt
9 – Persia
14 – Babylon
25 - China
18 - India

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by Barnabas


A few civs from that list should be killed before Spain, which:

- Unlike Egypt or Syria or Persia or much of India or what used to be the byzantine empire, Spain resisted arabisation and islamisation.

Uhh......

We're still fighting against Arabisation and Islamisation, and the fight is rather coming to the fore right now. Victory is predicted in around the next twenty years. Then we start kicking butt again.

As for not fighting: it took a freaking 400 YEARS for the barbarians to even gain a goddamn FOOTHOLD in Indian territory! Didn't resist my ass! But there is a limit to how much you can fight, and for how long, from enemies so close. The barbarians had to go all the way across Europe to get to Spain. After Persia fell, however, India was literally on the border.

For an (admittedly biased, yet factually sound) account, look here.

[aneeshm]

Oh, and:

15 - USA
14 – Germany
29 - England/Britain
17 - France
31 - Rome
29 - Greece --
28 - Egypt
11 – Persia ++
14 – Babylon
25 - China
18 - India

[Arrian]

16 - USA (+1)
14 – Germany
29 - England/Britain
17 - France
31 - Rome
29 - Greece
26 - Egypt (-2)
11 – Persia
14 – Babylon
26 - China (+1)
18 - India

-Arrian

[Will9]

16 - USA
14 – Germany
27 - England/Britain
17 - France
31 - Rome
29 - Greece
28 - Egypt
11 – Persia
14 – Babylon
26 - China
18 - India

[Barnabas]

Originally posted by aneeshm


Uhh......

We're still fighting against Arabisation and Islamisation, and the fight is rather coming to the fore right now. Victory is predicted in around the next twenty years. Then we start kicking butt again.

As for not fighting: it took a freaking 400 YEARS for the barbarians to even gain a goddamn FOOTHOLD in Indian territory! Didn't resist my ass! But there is a limit to how much you can fight, and for how long, from enemies so close. The barbarians had to go all the way across Europe to get to Spain. After Persia fell, however, India was literally on the border.

For an (admittedly biased, yet factually sound) account, look here.

You think India will reconquer Pakistan?


And arabs did not have to go all the way across europe to get to Spain, Spain was invaded from north africa

[Adrian Hon]

16 - USA
12 – Germany
27 - England/Britain
18 - France
31 - Rome
29 - Greece
28 - Egypt
11 – Persia
14 – Babylon
26 - China
19 - India

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by Barnabas

You think India will reconquer Pakistan?

Of course not!

We don't need to. Our movies and music, though banned in Pakistan, are doing that job for us.

More seriously, I mean that the Indic mindset will make a comeback into the mainstream within the next 20 years, which is an essential prerequisite for this country to really progress on its own terms.

Originally posted by Barnabas

And arabs did not have to go all the way across europe to get to Spain, Spain was invaded from north africa

OK, they had to go all the way across North Africa.

[VetLegion]

It seems to be a tight race between Greece, Rome and Egypt, with Rome going to win as is proper

[Harry Tuttle]

16 - USA
10 – Germany -2
27 - England/Britain
18 - France
31 - Rome
29 - Greece
28 - Egypt
13 – Persia +2
14 – Babylon
26 - China
19 - India

[Cyclotron]

16 - USA
10 – Germany
25 - England/Britain -2
18 - France
31 - Rome
29 - Greece
28 - Egypt
15 – Persia +2
14 – Babylon
26 - China
19 - India