A big fight

[Pekka]

Originally posted by VetLegion
The police and judges in east Europe are still not as effective as those in the West. If they catch you doing that kind of stuff in England you face serious fines and stuff. Even a jail sentence, I think. So it's a big deterrent. Too bad, I'd quite enjoy seeing some northern beserkers in action.

Hmhh, yeah there are few countries that have had some seriouls problems with hooligans over the years and decades so they have good penalties for the people involved in it.

Ordinary fights wouldn't give you a big penalty, at least not in here and I figure not in England either. But if you're involved in these hooligan groups, it's a bit different then, and rightly so.

I don't know about northern europe, I don't think a lot of action is going on. We might have 1 hooligan, but we haven't found him yet. We have such a small football culture in here so we don't have that problem at all. Young people don't imitate the ones abroad because well, we're not good at football . We don't get to go and travel Europe with the national team so .. no one is a hooligan. Hockey is a bit different, people get drunk but not aggressive and definitely not fighting.

Sweden and Norway, I don't know but I don't think they have such a problem that other euro countries have. Sweden might have few teams that have a small groups of hooligans but nothing too big. And we don't have much penalties for it. I don't know, maybe Sweden will step up more, well they've had some action in the past, ti's not like they don't have it but it's just not a big problem yet.

[VetLegion]

Originally posted by Serb In my home city we don't have such clashes between fans. I find such fights between fans to be complete idiotism.

It's definitely idiotism from personal perspective. A single hit to the head from a grown man without gloves can do such serious damage (it can kill, in worst case) that I would never gamble my health in such a fight.

But I think it's fairly normal to find that kind of thing interesting to watch.

[Pekka]

Vet, yeah it is dangerous, every blow is potentially lethal. But these are a bit different, for example I can't watch these Bumfights videos. They created a lot of hype when they came out so I downloaded the first one but couldn't watch it through. It was such an abuse of homeless people, it was sickening. And they weren't fights like these, they were instigated by other people who were abusing them and for their own pleasure. That kind of sadism is just something I can't tolerate at all.

But these big clashes, I think they're interesting and entertaining to a certain point, as long as no one is getting seriously trashed when they're down, I think it's just fine.

And about MMA, I'm a huge fan. Been for years, since the mid 90s. Then again it's a sport but I do love it and I can't wait for the weekend for the next UFC to come out! WAR RANDY!!!

[Serb]

Originally posted by Pekka
We have such a small football culture in here so we don't have that problem at all.

We too. I mean the city where I live. our football team sucks big time.

Hockey is a bit different, people get drunk but not aggressive and definitely not fighting.

I dissagree. It's not about some specific sport, it's about upset that your team lost+alcohol. Upset+alcohol often makes you an idoit.

Do you remember the last world cup at Moscow? Of course you do. Me and my buddies saw Russia-Finland game at small pub (there were something about 10 people there). The game was pretty nervous and there were two about 40 years old drunkards who pissed us off completely. They were shouting Suomi-Suomi. Hell, if they were Finns, nobody would protest that they support their national team, it's quite normal and understandable. But they were Russian drunkards who find it funny to make the rest of the pub angry. I told them to shut the f*ck up ortherwise they will regret they chose this place to get drunk, but they didn't listen and keep shouting "Finland will beat ya", etc. F*ck, they pissed-off everyone in the pub. After the third period they finally realized that jokes are no more - everyone were nervious as hell prior to overtime, and those two bastards just disappeared while we went outside for a smoke. Damn, had they stayed till the end of the game, they would be a two deadman. Everybody were ready to beat the crap out of them. Bastards. I still hate them.
So, hockey can drive people mad no less than football, me thinks.

[Pekka]

I don't know about that Serb. I've seen a lot of games, also in bars and stuff like that, never seen a fight over a hockey game.

I've seen tons of bad behaviour though. People swear a lot, shout at other fans or each other, but not actually fighting physically. It's a taboo in here to fight for hockey. It's a big no no.

I'm sure there's been fights, but they aren't that common and are definitely seen as something unacceptable. Also, there's often quite a bit of "taunting" between national team fans, but I've never seen it getting violent anywhere.

I don't know, I don't get angry after a game. If my team loses and it's a nervous game, I'm usually just sad about it and couldn't care less for the game for the next week or so. If we lose the game early on and it's obvious we can't win it, I just get bored and dont' want to watch it anymore.

So I don't know.. but I know there are tons of obnoxious fans, adn when talking about drunk fans there's tons of obnoxious Finnish fans who travel the world and go the games. These middle aged ****** are usually pretty damn annoying so I'm not surprised they made some people pretty hot headed. And these guys are an embarrasment, we know it. Every single time the games are in Europe or close enough, we know who the most embarrasing fans are. People just go to these games with big bunch of guys, drink for the whole two weeks and just be them idiot selves. It's like a long festival for them. And yes, they're always on TV and we are always embarrased.

[Serb]

I think that fighting over the outcome of hockey game is stupid. But, hell, when you are drunk and upset - sh!t could happen. Alcohol+upset sometimes make people do stupid things.

Anyhow, it's not really related to the topic. The fans on that video probably even weren't drunk. They are professional, well-organized idiots who consider such clashes as part of their fan's culture.

[Pekka]

Exactly, that's a bit different. I have never even heard of a fight inside a hockey arena or right next to it. I think that's good, because there are kids and it's a sport and you should be able to go and see a game in teh opponent's arena and not be threatend by violence.

[Agathon]

This is my favourite hooligan picture.

Queen's Park Rangers' fans visiting Nuremberg during the World Cup and posing where Hitler used to stand in order to wind up the Germans.

I don't care what people say. Winding up the Germans about the war can be a lot of fun.

[Pekka]

I think that's from a documentary, I recall this thing happening. It's also a known fact, that lots of extreme right wingers have joined the ranks of hooligans, including some seriously dangerous individuals.

I also remember this other documentary about the German World Cup that was just held (2006) and there were these English fans who were into rioting, so they tried to get a fight going on with the Germans from pubs. It was hilarious because it didn't go down heavy but this one guys was trying to get everyone fired up "COME ON! WE'RE ENGLISH AND THEY'RE ****ING JERRIES!" and it had all this emotion from WWII and it's like we're battling it out again and these German bastards are going to get it.

It was hilarious because nothing went down adn these guys were really just middle aged drunk ******. But obviously not their first time doing this kind of stuff.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Pekka
I think that's from a documentary, I recall this thing happening. It's also a known fact, that lots of extreme right wingers have joined the ranks of hooligans, including some seriously dangerous individuals.

I don't think these guys are neo nazis. Neo nazis admire the Germans. These guys wanted to piss them off.

I also remember this other documentary about the German World Cup that was just held (2006) and there were these English fans who were into rioting, so they tried to get a fight going on with the Germans from pubs. It was hilarious because it didn't go down heavy but this one guys was trying to get everyone fired up "COME ON! WE'RE ENGLISH AND THEY'RE ****ING JERRIES!" and it had all this emotion from WWII and it's like we're battling it out again and these German bastards are going to get it.

It was hilarious because nothing went down adn these guys were really just middle aged drunk ******. But obviously not their first time doing this kind of stuff.

I detest the violence and I think it has no part in football fandom. On the other hand, taunting the opposition is essential to enjoying English league football. Who would go to games if you couldn't chant "the referee's a wanker" or sing "You'll never get a job" to the Liverpool fans, or "Cheer up Roy Keane, oh what can it mean, to be a sad mackem bastard with a **** footbal team".

[Pekka]

Right, but they weren't the "taunting" ones. they were recognized as people who snuck into Germany because they weren't allowed to travel (known hoolies).

[Footie Mad]

Originally posted by Pekka



I don't know about northern europe, I don't think a lot of action is going on. We might have 1 hooligan, but we haven't found him yet. We have such a small football culture in here so we don't have that problem at all. Young people don't imitate the ones abroad because well, we're not good at football . We don't get to go and travel Europe with the national team so .. no one is a hooligan. Hockey is a bit different, people get drunk but not aggressive and definitely not fighting.

Sweden and Norway, I don't know but I don't think they have such a problem that other euro countries have. Sweden might have few teams that have a small groups of hooligans but nothing too big. And we don't have much penalties for it. I don't know, maybe Sweden will step up more, well they've had some action in the past, ti's not like they don't have it but it's just not a big problem yet.

As a football fan in Sweden who has travelled to away games in lots of different places and followed the swedish league for many years I can say there is a hooligan situation and it's growing all the time right now.

It's something like this video you posted, large gangs meeting up and a supposed "code of honor" not to use weapons, attack people who are already down and don't initiate a battle when you outnumber the opponents several times over. All three big teams in Stockholm have different gangs that can amass hundreds of fighters on "big days", also in Gothenburg and Helsingborg it's become a really strong culture and "cool" to become a member of these kind of gangs. It's like an extreme sport with facing a large gang that wants to trash you just a few meters away.

Then there is the other kind of hooliganism with disrupting matches from the stands by throwing stuff like flares onto the pitch, threatening players when they move from one rival club to another. My team just signed a player from our worst rivals, first on to move between the teams since 1968, and he received death threats to himself and his family. He had to use bodyguards for a while until the situation calmed down a little, but it's not over.

Myself I have only seen some smaller fights, people throwing stones at us from a bridge in Stockholm and general agitation. Also riot police in Copenhagen smashing everyone in sight once, even young kids in their early teens who had nothing to do with any trouble just being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Of coure it's impossible to get some justification against authorities like the police and especially that kind of "special unit".

[Alexander's Horse]

violent sports were invented to channel this kind of testosterone in a postive way

I saw Korean riot, right in front of my office, a pitched battle

[Spec]

Now this is a real fight.

Crazy mofos...


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Spec.

[Pekka]

Well that's a fight alright, more tense and technical than most, but it still lacks the real fight moves like eye gouging and stuff

But that already had fish hooking, head butts and everything. Pretty violent.