A big fight

[Pekka]

This is a big fight.



It's in Russia I think.

I was watching some fights tonight because I was bored and didn't feel like doing anything. So anyway, I noticed one thing. I watched loads of like Russian gang fights and all this stuff. They were clearly organized, there were several people filming, there were clearly rules as well.

It's almost like fair fights too. When someone goes down, they don't engage that much anymore. It's obviously a rule. Also they run around to catch breath and stuff like that, so there must be other kinds of rules as well, since the fights aren't vicious.

It isn't even football hooligan type of brawl. There was this one weird video, where like 15 vs 15 guys clashed on a football field, and they did this big clash like 6 or 7 times. So they all retreated, grouped and started a new clash. So it seems to me they like the clash, the battle clash. Also, all these fights begins with that clash, everyone just runs into each other first.

But the video above, now that's a big clash!

[VetLegion]

That's an old one Pekka!

But a good one. That is how ancient fights looked like

Think Sparta, Athens. Being in the first row was considered a priviledge, and the first row was basically pushed forward by those behind. The deeper line usually won.

[LordShiva]

Were there more redshirts being bussed in at teh end?

[VetLegion]

I remember when I was watching those fights on YouTube some months go. Gets your adrenalin going just looking at it. BTW those guys are Russians, Spartak supporters vs some other guys. And the guys on the field in the other video you mention are Polish football hoolingans, if we are thinking about the same video. YouTube is probably deleting the really nasty stuff, there are better videos around.

[Pekka]

Vet, Yeah it's old but it's big!

It's kind of spectacular when they start getting close and the noise level is rising. I'm thinking wow, we don't need some guy to tell us it's on, because it's on!

About the fight videos, I generally don't like them. The vicious ones I don't like, they are disgusting. Also the ones that aren't set fights, so those are just random violence and beating some victim up. I hate those videos, I don't even watch them if I realize the situation. Makes me angry and disgusted.

But these battle videos are entertaining as far as there's no weapons etc. Like this one, what a clash! The fight portion of it is not that clear or interesting, it's short, it's kind of boring, but it's so big and the prelude to it is exciting.

[Serb]

Re: A big fight

Originally posted by Pekka
This is a big fight.

It's in Russia I think.

Certainly. It's an old Russian entertainment called "stenka na stenku" or "wall vs. wall". It's as old as Russia itself.
But considering all those fires and red t-shirts, I think this one was a clash between football fans.

[Pekka]

Serb, that was my first thought as well. Plus the torches, so... likely a fight between football fans.

That's still a way to fight other fans though, because sometimes they just bash and trash pubs abroad and stuff like that. Start fighting in a huge crowd outside the stadium. That's dangerous and lots of people who aren't into that are hurt, so that's just criminal.

This isn't exactly legal either, but I have no problem with these groups fighting when they get isolated and focus on each other.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Pekka
it's short...

Well, the sound of police siren buried all the fun.

[VetLegion]

Originally posted by Pekka
Also the ones that aren't set fights, so those are just random violence and beating some victim up. I hate those videos, I don't even watch them if I realize the situation. Makes me angry and disgusted.

I despise random violence. Especially *******s beating up random people. I've seen some videos of that, also from Russia I think. Three or four guys attacking some random passerby. Could have been skinheads attacking darkies, but I can't recall. Got my blood boiling!

Anyway, I like orderly fights which have at least some traces of honor in them. You can't expect a perfectly fair fight, but if both parties have agreed to fight, we have a good start.

My favourites are definitely the Koreans, I love their battles

[Zkribbler]

What happened at the end? It looks as if people from both sides are running off to the right side of the screen.

Well, the sound of police siren buried the all the fun.

Ah! That explains it. The computer I'm currently using doesn't have sound.

[Pekka]

Yeah

A good thing though. I wouldn't want to be the first cop on the scene if they didn't run away. It would be slightly intimidating, facing 100 young men ready to trash you.... no way!

Anyway as I went through these clashes, there was a pattern with the rules and the way these were set up. The same pattern continued with other eastern european videos, I can't recognize them except that they aren't Russian but are eastern euro.

They all had the same start. I've never seen that kind of stuff in real life. You see that in the movies, and not even movies with fights but movies with swords and big battles, so it's interesting because I bet a lot of us have thought what it's like to be in that line with a sword, facing few thousand enemies. Absolutely no chance to survive at all!

And what do you do if you guys run into each other with swords? Do you just, jump and hope not to land on a sword and instead get beheaded 1 second later or do you focus on putting your sword through someone running into you or... or what about these guys who have their spears directed at you, there's tons of these spears and then you kind of just run into them. What runs in your head when facing that, I don't know.... I guess you have to make them drink some berzerker drinks made of mushroom and other things.

I'm happy to see old traditions still means something

[Serb]

Originally posted by Pekka
Serb, that was my first thought as well. Plus the torches, so... likely a fight between football fans.

That's still a way to fight other fans though, because sometimes they just bash and trash pubs abroad and stuff like that. Start fighting in a huge crowd outside the stadium. That's dangerous and lots of people who aren't into that are hurt, so that's just criminal.

This isn't exactly legal either, but I have no problem with these groups fighting when they get isolated and focus on each other.

More probably they were Spartak fans as Vet suggested (red coats, my ass ) a guys from Moscow. So they are pretty well organized and can initiate something more than pub fight (like that video).
In my home city we don't have such clashes between fans. I find such fights between fans to be complete idiotism. On the other hand, when I'm drunk and our hockey team lost a game, I don't really think that kicking an opposing team fan's arse is a bad idea.
j/k I have not fight for five years or something.

[Pekka]

Vet, yeah, and aside from those videos being disgusting and showing criminal behaviour, these victims are often hurt or injured. When they ambush someone or sneak attack a person, that's always dangerous and that's how we get the sad stories on papers. Makes my blood boil as well. These people aren't looking for a fight. They are looking to injure someone and they enjoy (possibly sexually) about the whole thing.

These particular fights as see in OP, though that's a bit dangerous because so many people, but overall aren't that dangerous and vicious. Sure, something might happen, but they are there to fight and not cut some random old person up with a blade and steal 5 euros from them.

[VetLegion]

The police and judges in east Europe are still not as effective as those in the West. If they catch you doing that kind of stuff in England you face serious fines and stuff. Even a jail sentence, I think. So it's a big deterrent. Too bad, I'd quite enjoy seeing some northern beserkers in action.

[Pekka]

Originally posted by Serb


More probably they were Spartak fans as Vet suggested (red coats, my ass ) a guys from Moscow. So they are pretty well organized and can initiate something more than pub fight (like that video).
In my home city we don't have such clashes between fans. I find such fights between fans to be complete idiotism. On the other hand, when I'm drunk and our hockey team lost a game, I don't really think that kicking an opposing team fan's arse is a bad idea.
j/k I have not fight for five years or something.

Hey I never said they're smart . It is complete idiotism. But at least they're being idiots and not messing up the lives of people who don't want to be involved in their battles. Plus, this video has entertainment value!