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Originally posted by Patroklos
Deplpoy more than 15% of our military maybe?
Deplpoy more than 15% of our military maybe?
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Sweet. Send 90% and see what happens.
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Scale back its military commitments. If it came to having to choose between an immediate withdrawal from Iraq and initiating a military draft, then the U.S. would be leaving Iraq. A draft is basically a political impossibility.Originally posted by SlowwHand Keep your head buried in the sand, Elok.
For the USA's part, it's already been noted and asked, with all tours lengthened and reserves called up, what do you really think the options are now?
Who's going to vote for reinstating the draft? It would be political suicide. Practically any Senator or Congressman who voted for reinstatement would lose his or her seat in the next election. Given the high number of women currently serving in the military, it would be difficult to justify a male-only draft. Imagine the outcry from the parents of daughter draftees if their daughters are being called (and imagine the outcry from the parents of male draftees if women weren't being drafted).
Furthermore, a renewed draft would probably end the military's anti-open homosexuality policy. It would be difficult for the government to justify conscription of the unwilling while simultaneously discriminating against willing homosexuals. The anti-gay policy would also give potential draftees an obvious loophole through which they could avoid conscription.
Reinstating a draft would probably mean drafting women and gays, something that the small percentage of people who favor the draft most likely would oppose. With that in mind, there's almost no support for a draft.
Reinstating the draft would turn the current widespread disatisfaction with the Iraq war into full-out (and probably violent) civil unrest. The draft is political suicide and would create more problems that it would solve. It's not going to happen.I'm about to get aroused from watching the pokemon and that's awesome. - PekkaComment
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Why don't you hire mexicans to do your wars for you? And then you could hire some more to guard your borders against Mexico...
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Outsourcing casualties.Originally posted by Kropotkin
Why don't you hire mexicans to do your wars for you? And then you could hire some more to guard your borders against Mexico...
[/Lame attempt at comparing the US to the Roman empire]
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You don't have to be a citizen to join the US military, this has always been the case.Why don't you hire mexicans to do your wars for you? And then you could hire some more to guard your borders against Mexico...
I helped quite a few of my sailors become citizens, it is a rather easy process given that they are already serving.
12 million people should maybe give it consideration...
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I support the reinstatement of the draft in the USA. Given that I am not a citizen, my vote doesn't count.
Still, I think that voluntary/professional force has had bad consequences for the US and the world.
With the draft back, there would certainly be less adventurism in US foreign policy.Comment
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Originally posted by VetLegion
I support the reinstatement of the draft in the USA. Given that I am not a citizen, my vote doesn't count.
Still, I think that voluntary/professional force has had bad consequences for the US and the world.
With the draft back, there would certainly be less adventurism in US foreign policy.
what experience has shown you that the draft has any relation to our ability or desire to flex nuts on the world.
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I agree. We should have let you people kill each other.Originally posted by VetLegion
With the draft back, there would certainly be less adventurism in US foreign policy.
It's amusing to see people who benefited from adventureism whine about it later.
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Ah, but see, it's different because he was under attack by his peoples' mortal enemies.Originally posted by DinoDoc
I agree. We should have let you people kill each other. It's amusing to see people who benefited from adventureism whine about it later.
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That didn't stop 'em in the 60s. But perhaps there's a difference - a good kind of difference. Nowadays rednecks, white trash, latinos and ******s are humans too. Their lifes are perhaps worth more than needlessly bleeding away in some allah forsaken hellhole to protect oil interests overseas - even to the US gov't!Originally posted by VetLegion
With the draft back, there would certainly be less adventurism in US foreign policy.Comment
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If you are thinking that Croatia benefited from US military adventurism, you are wrong. War in Croatia was over in 1995, while US military intervention in the Balkans was after that, and most seriously in Kosovo in 1999. Croatia did benefit from US assistance (intel, electronic surveilance...).Originally posted by DinoDoc
I agree. We should have let you people kill each other. It's amusing to see people who benefited from adventureism whine about it later.
In any case, that is not what I am opposed to. I'm not advocating total US isolationism (though I don't see any arguments against it).
What has happened with US having voluntary military is that is has become a toy for the politicians.Comment
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Originally posted by Kropotkin
That didn't stop 'em in the 60s. But perhaps there's a difference - a good kind of difference. Nowadays rednecks, white trash, latinos and ******s are humans too. Their lifes are perhaps worth more than needlessly bleeding away in some allah forsaken hellhole to protect oil interests overseas - even to the US gov't!
Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.Comment
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As opposed to a conscript army which had no adventurism at all!Originally posted by VetLegion
What has happened with US having voluntary military is that is has become a toy for the politicians.
Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.Comment
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Ability is not questionable. But the desire? If children of politicians could be drafted, would the US be in Iraq? I doubt it.Originally posted by MRT144
what experience has shown you that the draft has any relation to our ability or desire to flex nuts on the world.
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I think that the US public would be far more sensitive about draftee casaulties than it is about volunteer casaulties. Correct me if I am wrong.Originally posted by Lonestar
As opposed to a conscript army which had no adventurism at all!
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