What was the greatest MBT?

[Lord Avalon]

The Char B & Matilda were heavily armored, but their guns weren't so impressive.

[TheStinger]

the matilda had a 2 pdr, it had to be point blank to do anything.

Its armour was thick enough to get that close though, unfortunately the British tactics in 1940 didn't include a mass attack of tanks which could have made things very different.

Of course they would have been sitting ducks for the Stukas then

[Proteus_MST]

Yes, I think the only german gun able to pierce the thick hide of those tanks at greater distances from the beginning of the war on must´ve been the 8.8 Flak

[Lancer]

AH, one on one I'm still a Panther guy. However the ease of production of the T-34 was its advantage. So, if one has to consider not one on one but swarms of T-34s for each Panther, that gives the T-34 the advantage. If not, I'll go with the Panther.

[VetLegion]

Panther is a ripoff of T-34 design, so T-34 wins, it seems.

[Alexander's Horse]

the panther was a great tank

[Lancer]

Two tanks coming at each other on the Russian Steppe. One, a T-34, the other a Panther.

If I ask which is better, well blah blah. If I ask which would you choose to be in to win the fight and survive the day?

For me, it's got to be the Panther.

However the next day my Panther runs head on into 50 T-34s and I vow next time to be born an eskimo. Yup, just hunt seals and screw, screw and hunt seals.

[Lancer]

Originally posted by VetLegion
Panther is a ripoff of T-34 design, so T-34 wins, it seems.

I see your T-34 rip off and raise you the IR Panther.

http://www.geocities.com/desertfox1891/nightfightingpanthers/nightfightingpanthers.htm

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by Patroklos


Eh, one on one, better German tactics asside, it was hoplessly outclassed by the Char B and Matilda in 40, and it never equaled a T-34/76 even in its most advanced forms as the Germans themselves recognized (this can actually be said about the PzIV too).

Not so. The Char B had a lot of faults, it was big and slow, and the Matilda was comprehensivey defeated in the desert by a force predominantly of panzer III.

With the T34, it was around in strength in 42 but the III held its own. The tank was upgunned and armoured. The T34 was the superior tank though, I agree.

[Patroklos]

However the next day my Panther runs head on into 50 T-34s and I vow next time to be born an eskimo. Yup, just hunt seals and screw, screw and hunt seals.

Actually, I bet the numbers still work out in favor of the Panther historically.

[Lancer]

I didn't say I lost the battle against 50 T-34s, I just said I resolved next time to be born an eskimo.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Lancer
However the next day my Panther runs head on into 50 T-34s and I vow next time to be born an eskimo. Yup, just hunt seals and screw, screw and hunt seals.

...and mine for gold...and strike oil.

[Patroklos]

Diamonds

[Lord Avalon]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse

Not so. The Char B had a lot of faults, it was big and slow, and the Matilda was comprehensivey defeated in the desert by a force predominantly of panzer III.

Actually wasn't it more the AT guns that beat Matildas? Germans would drive up in tanks, show themselves to the Brits, then run away. Brits would chase, run right into the waiting ATG ambush. 88s & flank shots from lesser guns would decimate the Brit tanks.

[Lancer]

"...and mine for gold...and strike oil."

"Diamonds"

The demands of you capitalists are really cutting into my screwing time.