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    The evil canuck imperialists didn't have the stomach to back up their illegitimate claims and are looking for a kitty door to get out of the mess.

    Maybe they got scared when they heard that our newest vessel are westbound




    Satellite imagery moves Hans Island boundary: report
    Last Updated: Thursday, July 26, 2007 | 12:07 PM ET
    The Canadian Press

    Modern mapping technology has pinpointed a new wrinkle in Canada's dispute with Denmark over tiny Hans Island.

    After reviewing the latest satellite imagery, federal officials concede the international boundary line runs roughly through the middle of the island in Arctic waters, not east of the rocky outcrop as previously believed, memos obtained by the Canadian Press reveal.

    Canada and Denmark dispute the ownership of Hans Island. Canada and Denmark dispute the ownership of Hans Island.

    It means the most up-to-date map endorsed by Ottawa no longer places Hans Island squarely in Canadian territory.

    Uninhabited Hans Island, the size of several city blocks, sits in the Kennedy Channel of Nares Strait between Canada's Ellesmere Island and Greenland, controlled by Denmark.

    Each country claims the barren patch of rock as its own, leading to a much-publicized war of words.

    Canada and Denmark called a truce in September 2005 and have met periodically to discuss the issue. The most recent round of negotiations took place in June in Ottawa.
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    A draft December 2006 memo prepared by Natural Resources Canada says due to the "sensitivity related to sovereignty" the department had been reviewing all requests for topographic information related to Hans Island.

    As a result, it was discovered that topographic maps originally used in 1967 to determine the island's co-ordinates are not as accurate as maps more recently compiled with newer satellite imagery, says the memo, obtained under the Access to Information Act.

    The boundaries of the continental shelf between Ellesmere Island and Greenland were agreed upon in 1973. Given that Hans Island was under dispute, the shelf line was drawn up to a point south of the island and continued from a point north of it.

    On the 1967 map, Hans Island was set at co-ordinates "clearly positioning the entire island in Canadian territory," the draft memo says.

    However, the latest imagery places the island somewhat to the east, "which then puts the international boundary approximately in the middle of the Island."

    In late January, then-deputy minister of Foreign Affairs Peter Harder confirmed in a letter to Natural Resources that the foreign ministry's legal adviser had been using the new co-ordinates.

    Strengthens Danish case

    Rob Huebert, a political science professor at the University of Calgary, said Denmark will likely use the new information as ammunition in its sovereignty claim.

    "It probably gives the Danes one more source of argument to be made, which means it becomes much more complicated for defending the Canadian position," Huebert said. "But it doesn't necessarily take away from the Canadian position."

    Canada's says its claim is based on its use of the island over the decades as well as other principles of international law.

    Foreign Affairs had no immediate comment on the newly released documents.

    Huebert said it's unclear how technological advances will affect the legalities around such boundary claims.

    "I don't think there's good case law on that one way or the other," he said. "Let's face it, the satellite surveillance capability to give you the true image of what the boundary actually is on a curved surface, as opposed to a flat map, is something that's brand new."

    The Danish Embassy in Ottawa had no comment Wednesday.

    The draft memo, however, indicate the Danes are aware of the shift. "Recent negotiations with Denmark have taken into account this shared boundary on Hans Island."

    Former defence minister Bill Graham rankled Danish officials by making an unannounced stop on Hans Island during a trip to the Arctic in July 2005. The visit touched off a diplomatic quarrel between the NATO allies.

    The Danish government made it clear to Canada's ambassador in Copenhagen that it frowned upon Graham's move.

    Canada had formally protested the planting of Danish flags on Hans Island in 1984, 1988 and 2004.

    Canada insists the dispute is not about the surrounding waters, noting settlement of the continental shelf boundary more than 30 years ago.

    Some believe there is much more at stake, namely claims over northern fishing grounds or future access to the Northwest Passage.
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    A little pic of what they fear
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    • #3
      Canadian agressors
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      AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
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      DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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      • #4
        This is freaking awesome!!!
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        • #5
          If you mean the Sea Stallion part, you're right .
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          • #6
            thread title could have been great for poly birthday thread

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            • #7
              This is like two pub football teams full of wheezing, cowardly lardasses squaring up for an on pitch brawl.
              Only feebs vote.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Agathon
                This is like two pub football teams full of wheezing, cowardly lardasses squaring up for an on pitch brawl.


                No offense, but I think that that description goes for all territorial disputes.

                The only exception I can recall is Maggies Falkland war - she was way ahead of the dumbasses.
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                • #9
                  They probably got scared when they heard the Vikings' spawn in Britain are getting themselves new carriers.
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                  • #10
                    Canada and Denmark called a truce in September 2005 and have met periodically to discuss the issue. The most recent round of negotiations took place in June in Ottawa.
                    I'm curious how those negotiations went. I suspect they sent a bunch of trainees because they have to learn the mettle somewhere after all.
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                    • #11
                      Canada and Denmark dispute the ownership of Hans Island. Canada and Denmark dispute the ownership of Hans Island.


                      The article considered it so important that they wrote it twice?
                      One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Dauphin
                        Canada and Denmark dispute the ownership of Hans Island. Canada and Denmark dispute the ownership of Hans Island.


                        The article considered it so important that they wrote it twice?
                        Well, it's a cite from a canuck news org, so I assume that they know how to communicate with their customers.

                        I'm pretty sure that it isn't the result of my copy/paste
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                        • #13
                          Google agrees with Denmark.

                          Though perhaps it's time to establish an official border crossing on the island now.
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                          • #14


                            We'd be better off going after France for Saint Pierre and Miquelon.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by DanQ


                              We'd be better off going after France for Saint Pierre and Miquelon.
                              You'd have better luck attacking Milquetoast.

                              Or better still, disband the Canadian military and just send some of your NHLers over there. They are pretty tough guys, and they can stand the cold.
                              Last edited by Agathon; July 26, 2007, 19:47.
                              Only feebs vote.

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