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  • #46
    Um...

    Actually I think it's pretty clear that Lonestar is considering the "next war" as much as that is possible (difficult to see - always in motion is the future).

    Carriers give us highly mobile firepower. When the enemy is not a powerful nation state but rather a shadowy group hiding out in some remote spot, that remains useful.

    What would be silly, IMO, would be investing a ****load of money in, say, a brand new Tank. Or a bunch of nuclear submarines...

    -Arrian
    grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

    The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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    • #47
      The Truman is sitting off my beach.
      Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Zkribbler
        People always want to fight the last war.
        Our last war was signifigantly different than the war before that, or the war before that.


        What's the deal then? In every war since WW2 carriers have played a signifigant role. As long as air support will play a big role, and it will for a long, long time, secure mobile airbases that mitigate the problems of needing another country to stage planes out of will continue to be extremely useful.

        I'm not saying we need new SSNs(while there are potential enemies with subs, they aren't exactly the varsity), or we need super whiz-bang tanks(the M1 is gonna be around for a long time). The kind of stuff we will need are carriers, amphibs, sealift ships, and more long-haul cargo planes. I would also throw in some kind of replacement for the B-52. (in that it can fly from the states to it's target without refueling)

        Basically, stuff that directly impacts the troops on the ground, and lessens the dependency on foreign countries who either won't allow us access(Re: Iraq war) or they don't have the facilities(Afghanistan, Indonesia, Pakistan) that meet our requirements.
        Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by chegitz guevara
          The Truman is sitting off my beach.
          I know a dude on the Truman.
          Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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          • #50
            I'll tell him hi if I see him.
            Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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            • #51
              He's a nuke, so per Navy regs, he's bat**** insane.

              (like Dis)
              Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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              • #52
                What would be silly, IMO, would be investing a ****load of money in, say, a brand new Tank.
                Eventually we will have to, the M1 hulls will wear out. We have just completed a very extensive modernization initiative on them which should keep them in service for another 30 years.

                Or a bunch of nuclear submarines...
                Submarines are pretty useful, but we are not expanding the SSN fleet, just upgrading the force.

                People always want to fight the last war.
                I was just reading about the Revot of the Admirals. Interesting how the Airforce advocated the disbanding of the the Army and Navy because all wars in the future would be won through nuclear bombardment

                If you can think of one potential conflict where carriers are not useful Z, I will give you a cookie
                "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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                • #53
                  He's a nuke, so per Navy regs, he's bat**** insane.
                  I work with 2,500 of them

                  Insanity verified.
                  "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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                  • #54
                    Eventually we will have to, the M1 hulls will wear out. We have just completed a very extensive modernization initiative on them which should keep them in service for another 30 years.


                    Good. That, IMO, is different than designing the next gen tank (which I believe, at this point, to be unnecessary - or at the very least less necessary than other procurement goals).

                    -Arrian
                    grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                    The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Lonestar
                      He's a nuke, so per Navy regs, he's bat**** insane.

                      (like Dis)
                      They wanted me to be a nuke, when they saw my test results. At the time, I wanted children, so I took a pass and went with the Air Farce.
                      Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                      • #56
                        So you're saying they pegged you as nuts, Che? Hmm...

                        -Arrian
                        grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                        The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                        • #57
                          Do you doubt it?

                          One of my best friends growing up served on a boomer. Teh St. Louis IIRC. He was a nuke. Definitely insane.
                          Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                          • #58
                            There was a rumor on the waterfront in San Diego that a Meth Lab had been discovered in one of the reactor areas on the Stennis. My buddy found the rumor completely believable, because:

                            Most of them(nukes) were ON Meth before they joined up
                            Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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                            • #59
                              Not at all, my friend. I'm just looking for confirmation from you...

                              -Arrian
                              grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                              The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                                Do you doubt it?

                                One of my best friends growing up served on a boomer. Teh St. Louis IIRC. He was a nuke. Definitely insane.
                                Name like that would make it a fast-attack boat. But still nuts cause he's a submariner too.
                                Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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